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zab

09/14/25 9:57 AM

#544371 RE: B402 #544370

You do like to label people,  especially in this forum.  Maybe that is why most of us in this forum have been banned from posting in conservative sites. Trump is the Republican president and he never reaches out to the democratic side, he attacks. 
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sortagreen

09/14/25 10:47 AM

#544374 RE: B402 #544370

Maybe you could explain how these are lies, much the way you that he didn't say what you agreed he did say about empathy.



And Charlie did say black women didn't have the brain processing power to get into college... Yes, we know he only said it about four specific women, fours specific very high achieving women at that, but we know what he said, and so do you. It should be noted that Charlie was a dropout and made a living being a virulent bigot.

He makes fun of Sheila Jackson Lee for stumbling over a word. Really? A trump supporter?

Fuck Charlie... He was just another bigot. Now he's just another dead bigot.
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blackhawks

09/14/25 10:50 AM

#544375 RE: B402 #544370

The more you look at Kirk the more you realize little if any of the accusations against him were true.....Same can be said for any of us who have tried honest and civil debate with them....

I didn't know or follow Kirk

Square that circle and list the accusations about Kirk that are not true. You have zero excuse, now, for not knowing what kind of a person Kirk really was.

What are among the worst thinks Charlie Kirk said?

ChatGPT said:

Here are a number of statements Charlie Kirk has made that many people consider to be among his worst — controversial, offensive, or misleading. Some are factually wrong or extremely inflammatory; others are criticized for being demeaning toward particular groups. If you want, I can also pull up a “official transcript / full context” of any of them so you can see exactly how he said them.

Notable & Widely Criticized Remarks by Charlie Kirk

“Some gun deaths … are worth it”
In April 2023, Kirk said it was “worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment …” arguing that the ability to defend oneself and guard against tyranny justifies that cost.
The Standard
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FactCheck.org
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The Week
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Many consider this statement extremely insensitive, especially after mass shootings, because it suggests that deaths are acceptable collateral for maintaining gun rights.

Comparisons between abortion and the Holocaust (and worse)
Kirk has repeatedly compared abortion to the Holocaust — saying that allowing abortion under the guise of “women’s reproductive health” is similar to the horrors of the Holocaust. In some recordings he claims it is worse.
The Times of India
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The Week
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This view has been condemned both for being historically insensitive (given the genocide implied by “Holocaust”) and for deeply offending Jewish communities and others.

Civil Rights Act mischaracterization / Criticism of MLK

He’s said that passing the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s was a “huge mistake” and has claimed it created a permanent kind of DEI-bureaucracy that undermines constitutional freedoms.
The Standard
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The Week
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Medium
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Also he called Martin Luther King Jr. “not a good person,” saying his reputation rests on something he “didn’t actually believe.”
Medium
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Delaware Black
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Remarks about Black Americans, crime, and inner cities

He has said that “Black crime is a huge problem no one wants to talk about” and criticized failing government schools in inner cities.
Firstpost
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OpEd News
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He has also made remarks suggesting surprise or concern about Black pilots, implying doubts about their qualification in contexts of DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion) programs.
Firstpost
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On Islam and comparisons of religious figure(s)

Kirk compared Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha (a child at the time) with Jeffrey Epstein, calling the marriage “child sex offender” behavior.
Al Jazeera

He has said Islam is “not compatible with Western civilization,” and has used very strong language about Islam being a threat in cultural or civilizational terms.
The Irish Times
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On immigration / “Great Replacement” rhetoric

He has used or promoted “Great Replacement”-style language, suggesting demographic and immigration shifts are intentionally being used to “replace” White Americans. Critics call this conspiracy theory that fuels xenophobia.
The Standard
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Firstpost
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He’s made statements about migrants being criminals or threats to safety and culture.
Wikipedia
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Firstpost
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On abortion exceptions (rape/incest)
When asked what he would do if his underage daughter were raped and got pregnant, he said the baby should be delivered.
Firstpost
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Why These Statements Are Widely Condemned

Insensitive / Dehumanizing: Comparing modern policies (abortion, civil rights law) to mass atrocities (Holocaust) is seen by many as trivializing or misrepresenting those historical tragedies.

Misleading or False Claims: Some statements mischaracterize data (on crime, race, etc.), or lean heavily on anecdotes or conjecture rather than rigorous evidence.

Polarizing / Incendiary Rhetoric: Many of the statements aren’t just opinions — they are provocative in a way that fuels division, inflames identity conflicts, or demonizes a group (religious, racial, or political).

Lack of Context or Nuance: Some remarks are criticized because they leave out important qualifiers, ignore complexity, or oversimplify deeply sensitive subjects.
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sortagreen

09/14/25 11:06 AM

#544379 RE: B402 #544370

I'm sure you can explain the nuances of these lies as well...

Because the actual quotes are waaay less bigoted.

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conix

09/14/25 11:44 AM

#544383 RE: B402 #544370

In full agreement with your points. This board IS a reflection on how harmful political discourse has become over time. I refuse to be identified in either "political camp", because I do not agree with everything any side espouse--nor how the message is delivered.

As you noted, many here do NOT want to hear or read ANYTHING they disagree with. Which is their right. The problem is when the reaction to just a link to an article --a link!!--is to personally attack the poster.

Repeated personal attacks will finally get the result they want--Finally an angry, profane reaction (which I am guilty of).

Unless you agree with EVERYTHING they espouse, you are the enemy and a worthy target. If they cannot see that they are part of the problem, not unlike the extreme MAGA types, they are just not self-aware and prefer to stay in their bubble.
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arizona1

09/14/25 12:13 PM

#544385 RE: B402 #544370

The more you look at Kirk the more you realize little if any of the accusations against him were true

List them, refute them, prove he never said the tings he was accused of. You won't, you can't because everything Kirk said was either caught on tape or in print.