if you realy day traded the 1-5 day you needed the charts to help you swing I do the 9 day back in the 90's didd the actual board so not puts or call I had a cleint who was on the flloor of the Chicgo merc doing beans those were wild times If you had a trade on and it went limit up or down you were trapped. One day I gave my broker my ins and outs on gold. It tradeed 4 times acoring to my pattern That was scarry as it could have gone limit so went back to puts and calls. I llike the SPY and DIA but need the short term charts. Back in the 70'sI did small partnerships in real estate. Didn't mater where the property was just that it had untaped potential Spent meetingg in Vegas doing 1031's that was before the IRS changes the rules in 1984' What expertise do you really have