I posted this before on the other site ,,, check the patents listed ,,, the apollo consists of 6 and only 6 ,,, visionwave holdings has more than that listed ,,, it could get interesting ,,,, just a thought,, in the end if you have been following they all have ties back to square 1,,, I will try to find over the weekend a post I put up of how it all started from the begining ontheother forum and post it here GLTA