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[fuagf]

hap, It's amazing that you cannot see choose to ignore the development of the snowball which wouldn't have been nearly as big as it is without Trump's decades long support and encouragement of Putin and other authoritarian leaders. Russia has a much better bargaining position now than it did before they got Trump's support. Of course if Trump had been in power before the invasion it never would have happened, eh. We all want the war to end with a just result. With Trump's support of Putin it could never be. You see Trump as a positive influence. He isn't.

"OK -- only a few days to go and we will all see the how the EU/Russia/Ukraine matter is
going to play out -- depends on how hard Russia retaliates -- and how the EU responds
Iran/nuke issue coming up
China talks today -- bet the USA wins"

There wasn't an Iran/nuke problem before Trump pulled out of the deal that worked. You give him credit for ripping it up. You give him credit for remaking one, with little different if any. If ever come. Time, money, effort a waste. You choose to paint a picture much lacking of reality substance.

On/in any win-loss scale/ledger since Trump took over this time you know which side is the most loaded to here.

[blackhawks]

China talks today -- bet the USA wins

Better bet that Trump shits the bed and tells us we'll learn more in two weeks.

[blackhawks]

Reads to me as though Xi blew smoke up Trump's XXXL ass by likening him to a fellow 'strong man' and as the 'good cop' restraining the crazies in his administration; knowing full well that Trump is weak and that HE is the crazy one driving the trade war.

Xi’s Message to Trump: Rein In the Hawks Trying to Derail the Truce

China sought to depict a call between Xi Jinping and President Trump as an appeal from one strongman leader to another to run a tight ship and stay on course.

By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Berry Wang

June 6, 2025
Updated 10:13 a.m. ET

During his phone call with President Trump, Xi Jinping leaned on a maritime analogy to try to salvage the fragile trade truce that seemed to be fracturing from a series of escalating punitive economic measures.

The Chinese leader compared the relationship between the United States and China to a large ship, with the two men serving as powerful captains holding the rudder firmly to maintain the proper course. The analogy also came with a warning.

Do not let others steer the ship off course and jeopardize the relationship.

For weeks, the White House seemed to openly lobby for a direct conversation between the two leaders — a point underscored by China’s stating that Mr. Xi had agreed to the call on Thursday at Mr. Trump’s behest. With the United States ratcheting up the pressure on Beijing with technology and other restrictions, China may have acquiesced partly out of concern in Beijing that the China hawks in Mr. Trump’s administration were succeeding in undermining the truce, analysts said.

In a readout from the Chinese government, Mr. Xi emphasized on the 90-minute call that the two leaders needed to “steer clear of various disturbances or even sabotage.”

“China is quite concerned about this,” said Wu Xinbo, the dean of the Institute of International Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai. “There has to be communication at the leadership level to stop the momentum of the rapid deterioration of the U.S.-China relationship.”

The call between Mr. Trump and Mr. Xi came at an especially precarious moment. Less than one month after the two countries agreed to roll back punishing tariffs for 90 days and negotiate a trade deal, the truce seemed to be crumbling.

China continued to throttle the exports of rare earth minerals, throwing the supply chains of U.S. manufacturers into disarray. In response, the United States imposed restrictions on the sale of chip design software to China. It barred American companies from using artificial intelligence chips from the Chinese technology giant Huawei. It suspended some sales to China of components and software used in jet engines. In addition, the Trump administration proposed a plan to revoke visas for some Chinese students.

Yun Sun, director of the China program at the Stimson Center, a Washington think tank, said China saw an opportunity to use “top leader diplomacy” to send this message to Mr. Trump directly: “Hold off your hawks. The responsibility is on the top leaders. If you want a good relationship, don’t let your cabinet members or team run freely with their crazy ideas.”

Mr. Wu, of Fudan University, said the measures taken by the United States since last month’s trade agreement demonstrated how different members of the Trump administration were pursuing their own agendas, pointing to the Commerce Department’s export controls and the State Department’s vow to revoke visas.

China has maintained a tough posture, refusing to back down in response to Mr. Trump’s tariffs, unlike other countries that have treaded carefully so as not to antagonize the United States. In April, before the truce, Beijing engaged in a tit-for-tat tariff escalation, raising import duties on American goods to 125 percent after the United States pushed its taxes on Chinese imports to 145 percent. China appears ready to withstand the hardship from a prolonged trade war with the United States, with the economic levers to make life equally difficult for Americans and test Mr. Trump’s resolve.

At the same time, China has its own economic vulnerabilities and probably wants to avoid a full decoupling with the United States. The country’s economy is struggling to rebound from a real estate crisis. Already grappling with high levels of youth unemployment, China’s manufacturing sector, a key provider of jobs, could bear the brunt of a trade war that closes off the U.S. market and escalates fears in the rest of the world about the flood of inexpensive Chinese imports.

China had resisted overtures from Mr. Trump for direct engagement with Mr. Xi for months, reflecting Beijing’s cautious approach. Mr. Xi may have accepted such a call now to buy his government more time to prepare for a prolonged fight.

The two leaders seemed to take away different things from the call. In a post on social media, Mr. Trump implied that they had resolved the dispute over the export of critical minerals, but China’s readout mentioned no such thing.

China’s official summary included a warning from Mr. Xi to Mr. Trump that the United States should handle the Taiwan issue “prudently” to prevent a dangerous conflict, while Mr. Trump characterized the call as being focused almost entirely on trade. China has responded angrily to remarks by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth last week urging America’s Asian allies to work with the United States to deter China from trying to seize Taiwan, a self-governed island democracy.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Xi did agree that both sides would work once again to implement the agreement from last month and that further talks for a more permanent deal would proceed. Mr. Trump also said the talks with China will now include Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, in addition to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Jamieson Greer, the U.S. trade representative. And Mr. Xi urged the United States to withdraw “negative measures” against China.

To some extent, China could claim a win from the call, as Mr. Trump seemed to soften his administration’s stance on Chinese student visas. Last week, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, one of Mr. Trump’s hawkish advisers, said the United States would “aggressively” revoke the visas of Chinese students, specifically those associated with the Communist Party or studying in critical fields. But Mr. Trump, on Thursday, rolled out the red carpet.

“Chinese students are coming. No problem,” Mr. Trump said during a briefing from the Oval Office. “It’s our honor to have them.”

Before the call, Mr. Trump wrote on social media that Mr. Xi was “VERY TOUGH, AND EXTREMELY HARD TO MAKE A DEAL WITH.” In his summary of the call, Mr. Trump sounded gracious, noting that the two leaders had invited each other to visit their respective countries.

Scott Kennedy, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington research group, said the call could signal that the two countries had shifted into a “fragile equilibrium” after having demonstrated their willingness to turn up the pressure on each other.

Mr. Kennedy noted that China is the only country to win concessions from the United States since Mr. Trump launched his global “reciprocal” tariff campaign in April.

“I think they feel they probably figured Trump out and that this is a manageable relationship,” he said. “If this agreement falls apart again, they know what buttons to push to make the Trump administration take notice.”

Daisuke Wakabayashi is an Asia business correspondent for The Times based in Seoul, covering economic, corporate and geopolitical stories from the region.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/world/asia/xi-trump-tariffs-truce.html

Comments

Jim Remington
Eugene

> "VERY TOUGH, AND EXTREMELY HARD TO MAKE A DEAL WITH"

Translation: China is not impressed by Trump's delusions about international trade, and Trump finally figured out that he has no cards in this game.

james doohan
montana

The tariffs (Trump National Sales Tax) are about domestic tax policy. Trump wants to tax consumers to provide tax cuts for the already wealthy. I suspect Xi has seen the TACO memes and knows an American President has a much shorter leash for inflicting economic pain. Any sign of the markets wobbling and TACO will cave, but declare victory. If everyone knows threatening tariffs is a negotiating tactic, it is a bad one.

cosmos
Washington

Trump has no viable ideas of his own. He makes proposals based on whoever has his ear at the time, from Miller, to Loomer, to Navarro, etc. So when Xi asks him to think for himself, that is a wasted effort - though Trump will initially ALWAYS back down to other "strongmen," because Trump is so insecure and weak in character that he wants their approval (like from his father).


Carl Zeitz
Lawrence NJ
1h ago
These things are not about telephone calls. They are not resolved on phone calls. Phone call and phone call readouts are a fillip, a cover for getting nowhwere essentially.

Xi knows that. Trump has not the vaguest idea and everyone, including Xi knows that whatever Trump says on one call can change instantly on the next.

Xi played him again. But that is not hard is it? Just bring something: cash bribes, a plane, grovelling with phony compliments.