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PennMilitia

02/11/25 12:25 PM

#817074 RE: JSmith5 #817072

Nats stop confusing the board about JPS conversions

Your post is trying to twist a conversation about conversions. Mostly all JPS contracts have NO provision for a conversion to commons.

If a holder would agree to this conversion sure it can happen otherwise you cannot just freelance your way into an illegal contract conversion.

I am well informed of the JPS contracts since I own them.
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Fully Diluted

02/11/25 12:26 PM

#817075 RE: JSmith5 #817072

Thank you Nats, good find!

The bolded text in particular provides unmistakable clarity on this issue.
I am not a fan of converting the JPS into commons. But I'm also not a fan of fooling myself about it either. If any conversion happens at a fair exchange rate, there's nothing wrong with it.
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stockprofitter

02/11/25 12:33 PM

#817079 RE: JSmith5 #817072

Wrong. The JPS have no vote after cship ends and nor the FHFA or the government have the power to convert the JPS to common.
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FOFreddie

02/11/25 12:37 PM

#817080 RE: JSmith5 #817072

Thanks for all your time to explain the JPS conversion issue NATS. It should be noted that Ackman included full conversion of JPS in his assumptions. Even at 2.5% ERCF levels which are low there will be a need for new CET1 equity and a JPS conversion would be as good as or better than selling new equity to meet the ERCF required capital levels. It should also be noted that Wazee, Lamberth, Bhatti and Ropp are all outstanding JPS suits that probably need to be settled in 2025 before an exit and negotiated JPS conversion terms are likely to be included in the settlement. If the DOJ decides not to settle - these suits probably will get appealed one more time and it would be hard to proceed with the EXIT plan in a timely manner. Dilution is highly likely - FMCC and FMNA have included the warrants as shares outstanding in their respective 10-Ks and DJT mentioned how the US Taxpayer would make a lot of money in his letter to Rand Paul and there has been a lot of discussion about how the UST stake in the GSEs could be used as budget offsets or as seed equity for a SWF. There is only one suit outstanding focused on common shareholders and that is the Bryndon Fisher Derivative Suit - does anyone know what the status of the warrants would be if that suit was successful? This suit - like the others - are all on thin ice and there only leverage is the potential need to settle for a quick EXIT. Personally, I am hoping for a complete SPS write-down where the UST only gets 79.9% of the equity - I am not saying it is fair but if this allows for a quick EXIT - it would be more than worth it.
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JOoa0ky

02/11/25 12:56 PM

#817086 RE: JSmith5 #817072

Please do not convert me, I just want dividends turned back on. Thank you.
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kthomp19

02/13/25 11:20 AM

#817514 RE: JSmith5 #817072

Fantastic post.

I can't believe how many out there are still peddling the lie that the juniors (or even seniors) cannot be converted to common. It is easily possible as long as the companies and preferred shareholders agree.

I can only surmise that it's a matter of them allowing their desire to not have a junior-to-common conversion to cause them to get the facts wrong.
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FFFacts

02/14/25 12:04 PM

#817739 RE: JSmith5 #817072

I want to note that it has been pointed out numerous times on this Board that, even if the shares say non convertible it means that the Government cannot force a conversion, but that, if the shareholders agree to it (2/3s or more majority) they can be converted.


That is not the only route. An offer can be made without the shareholders having to have a 2/3 majority vote. 2/3rds only means that the agreement can be amended and non-consenting shareholders are obliged to convert.