Our continuing series of “Thom Talks with . . . “, features the most-watched interview on our YouTube channel.
The guest is Dr. Justin A. Frank, author of, amongst others, Trump on the Couch.
Thom: On the line with us is our old buddy, Dr. Justin Frank, MD. He's a psychoanalyst and a clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at George Washington University. He's the author of Obama on the Couch, Bush on the Couch, and now Trump on the Couch. His Twitter handle is @JustinFrankMD.
Thom: Dr. Frank, welcome back.
Dr. Frank: Hi, nice to be back, Thom.
Thom: I want to run something by you, and with apologies that we didn’t get this to you before you came on so you could prepare for it, but I know you think fast on your feet. I really want to go through this.
There’s a radio station, CJAD, that has a great host named Dave Kaufman. Dave did an interview with a celebrity and comedian who used to work on The Apprentice with Donald Trump. His name is Noel Casler. I want to play you about a minute-long clip. It’s a little over a minute of Dave Kaufman in this interview, describing his experience working with Donald Trump. I’d like to use that as a starting point for this conversation, if that’s all right with you.
Dr. Frank: Sure.
Thom: So here it is. This is Noel Casler:
Clip: "I told them the real deal about Trump that people didn’t know. He was an open drug addict; everyone knew it. None of this stuff was a secret. He was doing coke—this was 20 years ago when we did the VH1 Fashion Awards. I used to do the beauty pageants with him in the ‘90s. He was an open drug user, an open sexual assaulter. This stuff was just kind of accepted."
Dave Kaufman: "And you saw this with your own eyes?"
Noel Casler: "Absolutely. Most of the drug use occurred on The Apprentice. When he had to read cue cards, he’d get really nervous. He’d go into the bathroom, crush up Adderall, and come back to set. There’d be white chunks flying out of his nose, white powder under his nose. He was doing the same thing as a candidate and as president. It gives him a feeling of being in control, but he’s clearly an addict. If you know anything about addiction, untreated addiction as a president is the worst thing you could have."
Clip continues: "He was obviously high that night. That was the same person we saw on The Apprentice. I remember watching that, thinking, ‘Yeah, he’s high.’ And it probably wasn’t just Adderall. He did coke. He did meth. He had drug dealers coming to the after-parties. Some of it was Adderall as his maintenance high, what he uses during the day. When he gets down to Mar-a-Lago or other places, he gets into it a little harder. He also uses benzodiazepines—Valium and similar drugs—to come down when he’s hit it hard. When you see him slurring, that’s from the benzos."
Thom: So, you know, he goes on. It’s a pretty shocking interview, and he also talks about witnessing Trump sexually assaulting people. What are your thoughts on that?
Dr. Frank: First of all, I had a chapter in my book that I did not submit to the publisher called The Adderall Presidency. I decided there wasn’t enough hard data at the time, though I suspected it. I wish I had known Noel earlier and had access to more data.
His behavior is very similar to people heavily into cocaine or Adderall. There was a book written a couple of years ago, Blitzed, about the use of amphetamines by the Luftwaffe and Hitler’s people during the Blitzkrieg. Amphetamines allowed them to stay awake 18 to 20 hours a day. I wouldn’t rule out something similar with Trump.
He often sniffs noticeably during speeches, even mid-sentence. That’s common with nasal passages worn down by cocaine or Adderall. It’s difficult to determine whether his symptoms stem from drug use or early prefrontal dementia without a proper MRI and neurological evaluation, but he needs one.
Regarding Adderall, as far as I know, it’s only available by prescription. So, who’s giving him these prescriptions? Who’s his doctor? Maybe it’s Ronnie Jackson, the former White House physician. He certainly could circumvent standard controls as president.
Alternatively, he might be acquiring cocaine illegally. His behavior—midnight tweets, early rising, constant energy—aligns with stimulant abuse.
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