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[Rick Faurot]

The Bushies are desperate for a way out of the mess they made in Iraq. Everything Dubya's daddy predicted has happened and there's no way out.

[otraque]

Former Israeli Security Chiefs Blast Government
(edit-in accordance of what Conrad speaks, here another True MENSCH asserts himself as the catastrophe is at hand--gd)


By Maia Ridberg

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Four former heads of Israel's Shin Bet security service launched an unprecedented joint attack on government policy toward the Palestinians in an interview on Friday in which they called for withdrawal from occupied land.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&e=5&u=/nm/20031114/wl_nm/mideast_isr...





"(Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon has spoken often about the need for painful compromises, and there are no painful compromises except evacuation of settlements," Yaakov Peri, Shin Bet chief from 1995 to 1998, told the Yedioth Ahronoth daily.


"We are heading downhill toward near-catastrophe. If nothing happens and we go on living by the sword, we will continue to wallow in the mud and destroy ourselves," he said, reflecting a consensus among his three colleagues.


The Shin Bet, which has been led by chiefs of various political persuasions, has been at the forefront of Israel's battle against militants in a three-year-old uprising and runs networks of Palestinian informers in the West Bank and Gaza.


The interview in Israel's biggest newspaper by the four ex-directors followed recent criticism by army chief Moshe Yaalon of government-ordered travel restrictions on Palestinians, which he said only encouraged militancy.


"For once and for all we have to admit there is another side, and it has feelings and is suffering -- and we are behaving disgracefully," said Avraham Shalom.


Shalom headed the domestic security service from 1980 until 1986, when he resigned and was pardoned in a scandal over the beating to death by Shin Bet agents of two Palestinians captured after they hijacked a bus in 1984, and a cover-up he ordered.


Asked to comment on the interview, a senior government source described the former security chiefs' approach as naive.


"The situation is not as weak as they describe. We have made major achievements in our fight against terrorism...(but) every place where it is possible...to relieve pressure on the Palestinians, we will do it," the source told Reuters.


UNILATERAL PULLOUT


Ami Ayalon, a left-leaning former general who directed the Shin Bet from 1996 to 2000, urged the government to act unilaterally and pull troops and settlers out of the Gaza Strip (news - web sites), a position which Peri told the newspaper he also supported.


"We are heading toward a situation in which Israel will not be a democracy and home to the Jewish people," Ayalon said, referring to birth-rate figures showing Palestinians will eventually outnumber Israeli Jews if Israel continues to hold on to the West Bank and Gaza Strip.


Ayalon has launched a peace initiative called the "People's Voice" campaign with Sari Nusseibeh, a leading Palestinian moderate.


The plan supports the U.S.-backed peace "road map" now stalled by violence and goes further by calling for Israel to uproot all settlements and proposing Jerusalem become a bi-national capital.


All four ex-security chiefs signed the Ayalon-Nusseibeh initiative.


Carmi Gillon, whose term as Shin Bet chief was cut short in 1996 when he resigned after agency bodyguards failed to prevent the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin (news - web sites) by a Jewish ultra-nationalist, described the government as short-sighted.


"It is dealing solely with the question of how to prevent the next terrorist attack," Gillon said, referring to Palestinian suicide bombings. "It (ignores) the question of how we get out of the mess we find ourselves in today."

[otraque]

strange, quite fortuitous, i had just completed my own writing and THEN this i saw on going to Yahoo! news.
i isolate this statement
<<We are heading downhill toward near-catastrophe. If nothing happens and we go on living by the sword, we will continue to wallow in the mud and destroy ourselves," he said, reflecting a consensus among his three colleagues>>
it is truth,period--not idle opinion.
As i say much truth is STIFLED now by twits too dumb to hear and can only respond "well that's YOUR opinion".