Interesting how you managed to combine that duo into the single "odd" OMO thread, lol...have fun with that! Seems that OMO thinks bettor participation and multitudinous factors don't influence odds which is laughably naive, AND that everything is black box formulas exclusively. Since he says it's "No gender...just formulas, and gender does not come into play. Ever", here's a little primer for him... https://www.delta-optimist.com/spotlight/behind-the-scenes-of-how-odds-are-determined-in-sports-9756418 OMO can take it or leave it, but the odds are indeed influenced by many factors including the action of bettors, which as you said, includes the gender of same.