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goodietime

10/31/24 1:18 PM

#111787 RE: toogoodfella #111786

Question posed to Perplexity AI:

Is there a limit on "COD INCOME EXEMPTION" for a Business trying to emerge from a Ch 11 bankruptcy proceeding?

Answer
Based on the search results and the context of your question, I can provide some information about the COD (Cancellation of Debt) income exemption for a business emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy:
For a business in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, there is generally no limit on the amount of COD income that can be excluded from taxable income. The bankruptcy exclusion takes precedence over other COD income exclusions and applies to the full amount of debt discharged in the bankruptcy proceeding13.
Key points regarding the bankruptcy exclusion for COD income:
Bankruptcy exclusion priority: The bankruptcy exclusion rules govern, even if other exceptions would have applied. This is important because the required reduction of tax attributes differs depending on which COD income exclusion applies3.
Court approval requirement: The debt discharge must be granted by a court order or in a court-approved plan to qualify for the bankruptcy exclusion3.
Corporate-level application: For C corporations, the bankruptcy exclusion is applied at the corporate level, and tax attributes are reduced at the corporate level. There is no direct, immediate impact on the shareholders2.
Tax attribute reduction: While the COD income is excluded from taxable income, the trade-off is that the business must reduce certain tax attributes. This reduction occurs after calculating the tax liability for the current year and generally follows a specific order:
Net Operating Losses (NOLs)
General business credits
Minimum tax credits
Capital loss carryovers
Basis reduction
Passive activity loss and credit carryovers
Foreign tax credits23
Special rules for NOLs: In some cases, a company emerging from bankruptcy may be able to use its pre-change NOLs in full, unrestricted by the usual Section 382 limitations, if certain conditions are met3.
It's important to note that while there is no specific limit on the amount of COD income that can be excluded in bankruptcy, the business will effectively "pay" for this exclusion through the reduction of valuable tax attributes. This mechanism essentially defers the tax impact of the COD income to future years rather than eliminating it entirely.
Given the complexity of these rules and their significant impact on a business's future tax position, it is crucial for companies emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy to work closely with tax professionals to navigate the COD income exclusion and tax attribute reduction process effectively.
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Docsavag

10/31/24 2:24 PM

#111788 RE: toogoodfella #111786

Candidly, how much of that debt could "magically disappear" as it did in the case of WaMu? FDIC and JPM both had $27B claims against WaMu, which eventually went poof. Amazing sleight of hand...
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SwissCheeseAccount

11/01/24 7:15 PM

#111799 RE: toogoodfella #111786

>>A 130B unpaid debt is in fact too big to convert into equity stock.

It would be too big to convert if it were only being converted into one company.

A lot of the LBHI debt is LBT debt, and when LBT does there debt for equity swap, the debt will be taken off LBHI balance sheets but the equity will be in an entirely new LBT company. The rest of the LBHI debt will then be converted to equity to holders of new LBHI/spinoff etc.

Jmo