Replies to post #497356 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[longrider51]

More to the point since the shoe fits...
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/trumps-fascism-is-now-in-the-open

Fascism =
Suppresses Free Speech (on college campuses)
Encourages street demonstrations to foment division and influence policy (Pro-Hamas supporters which are 100% Democrat). Brownshirts in the 1920's and 1930's did the same.
Top down social engineering (euthanasia in the pre-WWII, limiting parental rights now)
Increasing market interference by government--picking winners and losers for supporters of policy (Krupps in pre-WWII and mandates and tax credits now)
Expands government control in society
Government control of the media (control then, blatant bias now)
Corruption of governmental institutions (then and now)

[newmedman]

You want to see what facism looks like🤐 Is this your end game.. To own the libs?

The DeSantis administration is now threatening to arrest TV station executives for running ads supporting the abortion amendment he dislikes.
This is the kind of thing you'd expect to read about in Russia.
And it's not the first time.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/10/16/desantis-threatens-arrest-tv-stations-authoritarian-abortion-maxwell/

[newmedman]

yep, you love you some dictators. It seems that others aren't so sure.

Not sure we've ever seen anything like this before. The audience at Trump's Univision town hall is visibly showing their disgust over and over for Trump as he lies about January 6. pic.twitter.com/f2pu8pPkj9

— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) October 17, 2024

[newmedman]

yay judge!

They just made shit up and implemented them with no basis in reality or law. Glad the judicial branch still does its duty. https://t.co/jJYuzUIvXL

— Fred Wellman (@FPWellman) October 17, 2024

[janice shell]

So that's what you think fascism is? What a weird list. Where'd you find it? For example:

Top down social engineering (euthanasia in the pre-WWII, limiting parental rights now)

I'd say the planned extermination of the Jews was far more radical pre-WWII "social engineering", or is that what you meant by "euthanasia"? Parental rights now? What rights have parents lost? What rights do people on the left propose to limit?

Suppresses Free Speech (on college campuses)

Bullshit. But "free speech" and "hate speech" are not the same thing.

Encourages street demonstrations to foment division and influence policy (Pro-Hamas supporters which are 100% Democrat). Brownshirts in the 1920's and 1930's did the same. And if you want to talk "free speech", what about all the right wing book banning? THAT is a VERY fascist thing.

Not exactly. The Brownshirts and Blackshirts of the '20s and early '30s were not into the kind of demonstration, usually peaceful, that people in this country engage in. And once again, very few people here are "pro-Hamas". They're pro-Palestinian.

Increasing market interference by government--picking winners and losers for supporters of policy (Krupps in pre-WWII and mandates and tax credits now)

Tax credits?? Huh?? And what about all those Republican tax breaks for the superrich? Was that fascism? Or was it just Trump and his people buying support?

Expands government control in society

Hey, that's not us! I can think of no more perfect example of an attempt to impose government control in society than the demolition of Roe v Wade, and the consequent imposition of draconian laws in some states that have resulted in the DEATH of women.

Government control of the media (control then, blatant bias now)

Allow me to introduce you to Rupert Murdoch... And let's not forget all the folks at Fox and other networks on the right. And I'll remind you that Fox is not only "biased"; it actually lies. As a consequence, it owes Dominion nearly a billion dollars. And then there's Alex Jones. He's evil and beyond toxic. He now owes a lot of money in connection with the horrible lies he told about the mass shooting of children in Sandy Hook. But that's all that's happened to him. His lies were free speech, and he couldn't be criminally charged for them. And he hasn't stopped. He's not talking about Sandy Hook--though he's literally crying about all the money he owes--but he's telling new lies. On the air. Day in, day out.

Corruption of governmental institutions (then and now)

That's definitely what Trump tried to do, and promises to do if he's reelected. Remember when he wanted Milley and Esper to order the military to shoot peaceful protesters in DC in the legs? And now he's saying once again that he wants to do that.

And speaking of Milley, he's the guy, always a conservative, who's said Trumpty is "fascist to the core". So I think you should go read some books about Mussolini and Hitler, with an emphasis on their rise to power.