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newmedman

09/29/24 1:46 PM

#494807 RE: gdog #494804

do you have any proof of that accusation or is it just your thing to bash immigrants for no reason?
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blackhawks

09/29/24 2:13 PM

#494815 RE: gdog #494804

Yeah, what about...millions that came across the border unvaccinated? All I did was drop your question into the Google search box. You could have done the same and avoided the comeuppance posted below.

Fact-checking claims that migrants on the Southern border are to blame for Covid surge

By Tara Subramaniam and Holmes Lybrand, CNN

Published 7:10 AM EDT, Tue August 10, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/10/politics/desantis-border-covid-fact-check/index.html

Facts First: Public health experts dispute the notion that migrants entering the southern border are largely responsible for exploding Covid cases across a large swath of the country.

Instead, experts point to the more transmissible Delta variant and relatively low vaccination rates as primary causes of this latest wave. It’s also worth noting that some of the Republicans blaming the surge on migrants have banned mask mandates and pushed back against policies requiring vaccines.

Spread of Covid

“To my knowledge there is no evidence that migrants are to blame for the spike in Florida or other southern states,” Aubree Gordon, associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan, told CNN. “We’re having significant increases in transmission across many states likely due to the Delta variant.”

Regarding the surge, current US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy echoed concerns about the Delta variant, saying near the end of July that “The thing that’s making this possible is the fact that we are dealing with the most transmissible version of Covid-19 that we’ve seen to date.”


And according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the current situation is also due in part to the country’s vaccination rate.

“If we had the overwhelming proportion of the people vaccinated, we would not be having this conversation,” Fauci told PBS on July 27.

Many companies and organizations have begun mandating vaccines for their employees, and in some cases for their customers too. Some governors followed suit, requiring vaccines or weekly tests for state government employees.

But DeSantis, and a handful of other Republican governors including Greg Abbott of Texas, have refused to do so. Some have even gone so far as to ban mandates for vaccines or other measures that could help stop the spread, such as masks.

Ron Waldman, Professor of Global Health at George Washington University, told CNN, “It is clear that states that are not aggressively implementing public health interventions are suffering more than those that adopted policies that encourage and at times enforce those interventions, especially in regard to vaccination. We see this clearly in the rates of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.”

“It should be obvious that the greatest risk of acquiring COVID is from neighbors, not from ‘aliens’ pouring across the ‘wide-open southern” border,’ Waldman said, noting that Florida does not touch the southern border but it does share a border with Alabama, one of the least vaccinated states in the country.

Southern border

While migrants continue to arrive at the US-Mexico border in record numbers, it’s false to claim that the border is “open” as DeSantis did last week. The Biden administration is still using a Trump-era policy which allows for many migrants to be quickly expelled from the US.

The CDC announced on August 2 that it would extend the controversial health order – called Title 42 – invoked by the previous administration during the beginning of the pandemic, in March 2020.

Out of the migrants encountered at the Southern border by the US Customs and Border Protection from January to June, 64% were removed from the US under the health order.


The CBP told CNN that migrants taken into custody are required to wear face masks provided by the agency and that if “anyone exhibits signs of illness in CBP custody, they are referred to local health systems for appropriate testing, diagnosis, and treatment.”
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fuagf

09/29/24 7:17 PM

#494875 RE: gdog #494804

gdog, The whole of the hole in your border position is that Trump was worse for border security than other presidents had been, and are, as he actually undid much of the border security measures that had been accomplished by both parties over decades. You ignored this post earlier:

gdog, Bottom line, Trump doesn't want southern border situation eased.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175155474

and see

Kamala Harris and the border: The myth and the facts

""U.S. House votes down border bill favored by conservatives
"COVID B402, Trump’s Misleading Chart on Illegal Immigration"
Security bill – nearly identical to legislation House Republicans passed last year –
was an attempt by House Speaker Johnson to quell growing hard-right dissatisfaction
"

Related:
Inside Trump’s Disastrous ‘Secret’ Drug War Plans for Central America
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=141657065
.. and in reply ..
Donald Trump’s Central America strategy is both cruel and incompetent
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=141713823

While the Biden administration took steps to get at root causes through a wider, more inclusive dialogue with other countries the Trump administration basically bathed in crackdowns and harsher policies which more than much else made the border situation worse.
[...]
[ When policy is cut off from reality: Donald Trump’s immigration problem
Elaine Kamarck and Christine Stenglein
October 31, 2017
Contact
[...]
Nearly a year into his presidency, all Donald Trump has to show for his campaign pledges to get tough on illegal immigration are: three executive orders that have been overturned by judges; funding proposals for a border wall that have been turned down repeatedly; and the wrath of his former aid Steve Bannon, who fans the flames on the right whenever Donald Trump seems close to compromising on the issue. And the situation is unlikely to improve.
P - This is the problem with policy that is cut off from reality. Trump rode the immigration issue to the Republican nomination, consistently winning his largest share of the vote among those who thought that immigration was the biggest problem before the country.1 He then rode it to the White House, and now he has to solve a problem that—as we shall see—wasn’t exactly what he told the voters.
[...]
Unauthorized immigrants and refugees: A clear and present danger?
The first measure in this paper illustrates that Trump’s description of an America overrun by illegal aliens and criminal refugees is bogus. It is the most glaring example of a problem created to stir up political hatred, and the numbers simply do not support it. Bannon’s Breitbart News keeps up the drumbeat of unauthorized immigrants as criminals. A recent front-page headline read: “Illegal Immigrant Accused of Running Over Man in Drunk Hit and Run.”3 During the campaign, Trump himself used families who had been victims of crimes by unauthorized immigrants as props. He repeatedly invoked the name of Kate Steinle, a woman allegedly shot in the back by an illegal immigrant who had previously been deported five times. The suspect maintains it was an accident, and the trial is ongoing. In June, the House passed a bill Trump had repeatedly advocated for called Kate’s Law, in reference to Steinle, which would increase penalties for those who try to re-enter the country after being deported. The Senate has yet to act on it, and attention to it has vanished.
P - And no wonder. As the following graph shows, the number of immigrants convicted of aggravated felony and removed from the country over a 14-year period from 2002 to 2016 accounts for a mere 7 percent of the total.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/when-policy-is-cut-off-from-reality-donald-trumps-immigration-problem/ ]


Why Republicans are zeroing in on this attack now
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175007210

And, what else, Trump's campaign is feeding the American electorate misinformation today:

Fact-checking GOP Trump fliers flooding swing-state mailboxes
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175082629

Do yourself a favor:

What Has Biden Accomplished? Look at These 10 Metrics, Not the Polls
[...]
Millions signed up for health care
Taking the number of uninsured Americans to an all-time low

[...]
The cost of living is going down
The rapid disinflation under Biden is unmatched in modern history

[...]
Families are richer than ever
Net worth has climbed under Biden, sentiment needs to catch up


ok, add to the above

Immigration reform is failing
Border encounters between ports of entry are near a record high as Republicans derail bipartisan legislation in the Senate
[...]
Green spending is booming, but it’s still not enough
The goal of net-zero emissions by 2050 requires $1 trillion in transition investment now
[...]
Inequality is narrowing
A rise in real wages for lower-income workers is bridging the gap
[...]
The equity market is roaring
While bonds are a weak spot
[...]
Violent crimes, especially homicides, have fallen
Biden has encouraged states to use stimulus money on law enforcement

And Bloomberg is not even considered a left-leaning site -
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/#gibney-immigration
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174950825

Do yourself and America a huge favor, vote Democrat.