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[newmedman]

Cool little diatribe you've got going on there. I'll give you extra points if you can prove anything you just typed is true because otherwise it's just senseless drivel that you spew.

I'd take the time to fact check it all but you wouldn't believe it anyway, just call me a deep state commie marxist and go on a rant about fake news or some shit so, there is no need for me to try. Deprogramming brainwashed cult members is better left to the experts.

I'm glad you were able to get everything off your chest because that's what is really important. It just might save you from a future extended period in a padded room. Feel free to come back anytime.

[longrider51]

Limes, Nordstream 2 never became operational, so how does that fund Russian operations? IT DOESN'T! Nordstream 1 was operational in 2011, stopped in 2022, not the subject of your comment. Trump didn't stop anything, he did slow it down a bit, but main thing is that it is not US purview to approve or deny such a project. Middle East...always a intemperate powder keg...I thought Ivanka's cuckold Kush was gonna take care of all that? She's orders of magnitude more intelligent that he, so I'd trust her plan to use legitimate intelligence to promulgate needed proactive efforts over dimwit's off the cuff BS. She's not Joe's doctor and certainly is not in her job description to inform public of private medical information of another. Now about those lies...REALLY, you want to go there? You have no case at all so take your shit show to a comedy club.

Dang, I should have waited for newmedman and not wasted the little effort taken to pour a little concrete down this concocted rabbit hole...

[fuagf]

Lime time, you are sorely wrong on the border, the pipeline, the war. And on Harris re Biden.

Re your southern border:

Kamala Harris and the border: The myth and the facts
[...]Ultimately, they managed to blur the line between the assignment Harris got and the worsening conditions at the southern border.
P - [ When policy is cut off from reality: Donald Trump’s immigration problem
Elaine Kamarck and Christine Stenglein
October 31, 2017
Contact
[...]
Nearly a year into his presidency, all Donald Trump has to show for his campaign pledges to get tough on illegal immigration are: three executive orders that have been overturned by judges; funding proposals for a border wall that have been turned down repeatedly; and the wrath of his former aid Steve Bannon, who fans the flames on the right whenever Donald Trump seems close to compromising on the issue. And the situation is unlikely to improve.
P - This is the problem with policy that is cut off from reality. Trump rode the immigration issue to the Republican nomination, consistently winning his largest share of the vote among those who thought that immigration was the biggest problem before the country.1 He then rode it to the White House, and now he has to solve a problem that—as we shall see—wasn’t exactly what he told the voters.
[...]
Unauthorized immigrants and refugees: A clear and present danger?
The first measure in this paper illustrates that Trump’s description of an America overrun by illegal aliens and criminal refugees is bogus. It is the most glaring example of a problem created to stir up political hatred, and the numbers simply do not support it. Bannon’s Breitbart News keeps up the drumbeat of unauthorized immigrants as criminals. A recent front-page headline read: “Illegal Immigrant Accused of Running Over Man in Drunk Hit and Run.”3 During the campaign, Trump himself used families who had been victims of crimes by unauthorized immigrants as props. He repeatedly invoked the name of Kate Steinle, a woman allegedly shot in the back by an illegal immigrant who had previously been deported five times. The suspect maintains it was an accident, and the trial is ongoing. In June, the House passed a bill Trump had repeatedly advocated for called Kate’s Law, in reference to Steinle, which would increase penalties for those who try to re-enter the country after being deported. The Senate has yet to act on it, and attention to it has vanished.
P - And no wonder. As the following graph shows, the number of immigrants convicted of aggravated felony and removed from the country over a 14-year period from 2002 to 2016 accounts for a mere 7 percent of the total.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/when-policy-is-cut-off-from-reality-donald-trumps-immigration-problem/ ]
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Re your pipeline misinformation:

Old lies repeatedly, and more - Trump said 'he stopped Nordstream 2, Biden brought it back' -- Trump’s Nord Stream 2 disaster
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In fact, Trump did not stop Nord Stream 2 — he enabled it. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline went from zero to 90 percent completed during Trump’s presidency. Rather than stop it “dead,” the Trump administration rejected years of bipartisan congressional calls for imposition of sanctions to stop the project. Only when Congress, in frustration, passed mandatory sanctions did the administration finally take concrete action. But by then it was too late.

Far from “nobody” ever hearing of it, Nord Stream 2 was a lightning rod from when it was announced in 2015. The pipeline deal was part of the misguided German policy of deepening energy ties with Russia, despite Putin’s illegal annexation of Crimea and his fomenting of separatism in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

The Obama administration saw Nord Stream 2 for what it was: an effort to bypass existing gas transport routes though Ukraine and undermine solidarity among NATO allies. The project pitted Poland, the Baltic countries and Ukraine against Germany. The European Commission and European Parliament similarly opposed the project as a threat to European energy security.

Congress saw these dangers as well and took legislative action. In 2017, it passed the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which included a section specifically targeting Russian energy export pipelines. Sanctions against the pipelines were to be imposed at the discretion of the secretary of State in consultation with the secretary of Treasury and in coordination with U.S. allies.

Enter Rex Tillerson. Trump’s first secretary of State was a 2013 recipient of an “Order of Friendship” from Putin in recognition of Tillerson’s contributions to cooperation with the Russian energy sector while he was CEO of Exxon-Mobil. It was Tillerson who issued the fateful public guidance to energy companies that CAATSA sanctions would only apply to new Russian export pipelines — those contracted after August 2017. Contrary to the will of Congress, Nord Stream 2 was thus grandfathered in and outside the scope of sanctions.

Under the Tillerson guidance, the five EU companies participating in Nord Stream 2 with Gazprom had no legal grounds to declare force majeure, and the project went forward at a rapid pace.

Mike Pompeo became secretary of State in April 2018 after Trump unceremoniously fired Tillerson by tweet. But Pompeo did not change the Tillerson guidance, and Nord Stream 2 remained grandfathered in.

Rhetorically, U.S. policy under Trump was — as it had been under Obama — opposed to the pipeline. Trump’s controversial ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, repeatedly and publicly raised the possibility of American sanctions against German companies involved, infuriating his hosts. Trump too spoke against Nord Stream 2 in Brussels in 2018, berating Germany for freeloading on the U.S. military while expanding energy ties with Russia.

But where it counted — actually imposing sanctions against the project at the key stage when it could be stopped — the administration did nothing. Indeed, Trump’s posture amounted to the worst of both words: alienating our German allies while failing to take action to stop the pipeline. Putin must have been pleased.

Finally, in late 2019 — with the project 90 percent completed — a frustrated Congress, led by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), inserted a provision into the must-pass National Defense Authorization Act mandating that the administration apply targeted sanctions against ships involved in the laying of undersea pipe for the project.

These mandatory sanctions were effective. The Dutch-Swiss pipelaying company Allseas immediately ceased operation on Nord Stream to avoid sanctions. This suggests that the five EU energy companies that provided half the financing for the project would also have backed out had U.S. sanctions been applied in 2017.

With the project nearly complete, Germany was determined to see it through and criticized what it saw as U.S. overreach. As 2020 progressed, Gazprom was able to deploy some of its own pipe-laying vessels to the Baltic Sea. Only in July 2020 did Pompeo finally rescind the Tillerson guidance, making Nord Stream 2 itself subject to sanctions. But it was too little, too late.
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Re your Iran empowerment nonsense:

OPINION - IDF's admission that it targeted a journalist exposes crude attempt to control war narrative
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UN experts criticise western support for Israel
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175093490
.. and ..
Shimon Peres doubts Israel can win Permanent war or Survive Annexation of West Bank
2015 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=118223699
.. and ..
Inside Iran: The proxy war on the brink of erupting | Four Corners
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If you can debunk or prove wrong any of the content in the above that would be appreciated.

"Since he left Office, we have a border crisis. Since he left office, Russia became empowered and funded by the pipeline that the Biden Harris administration allowed. Trump had stopped that pipeline. Since he left office, Iran has been empowered and funded and attacked Israel... and continues to be at war. Since he left Office, we have sky high inflation. Granted, I believe whoever would've been in office we would've had this inflation. We are the closest to World War III we ever have been and I cannot vote for someone who does not have a plan and how to even tackle the economy so it scares me to think that she doesn't have a plan for World War III. You always have to be proactive and you always have to have a plan even if things shift and you don't follow it you have to have an idea of what you're going to do. She does not have an idea. She is a very important cog in the machine. She was also a liar and someone who covered up Biden's condition."

Your comment on inflation is some evidence you may have an iota of autonomous thought left, but all before and after that from you there is either terribly wrongheaded, misinformation or disinformation, or lies from you. Assuming you know the differences, only you know for sure which.

The rest of yours is also wrong. Biden's accomplishments in office have been and continue to be considerably more positive for America than Trump's. See:

Biden outshines Trump on crime, energy, debt and deficit, shattering GOP 'better off' lies

MSNBC

103,516 views Mar 16, 2024 #2024election #Trump #Biden
With the presidential election set as a rematch between President Biden and Donald Trump, the right's messaging on the "Are you better off than you were four years ago" question is increasingly comical. Republican Party mouthpieces overlook the fact that four years ago, Trump was president and COVID-19 had just been declared a national emergency. Plus, under President Biden crime, energy, the debt and the deficit are all seeing better metrics. Mike Pence announcing that he will not endorse Donald Trump is also discussed by Joy Reid and her panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auDjfVrbWp4

Again, IF you are able, with credible supporting evidence, contradict any of the points made in that video feel free.

Biden has old-age moments. Still Biden continues to demonstrate he is fully capable of leading an administration more capable, more responsible, more honest and more successful than Trump's administration was. Biden continues to be a better leader than Trump could ever be.

Toss in -- Trump DOJ corruption -- There Used to Be Justice. Now We Have Bill Barr.
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Lastly, Lime Time, You must read the odd article on the net. Why do you think most all of any news articles always contains supportive links in evidence of what has been written. Yes, verification. That's why Tornado Alley requires links for assertions from trolls such as you. You are not trusted because you are not believable. Your opinion, as clearly demonstrated above, is in general worth as much as most all of Trump's lying words.

[blackhawks]

Load a crap from you on Nord Stream. And any pretense that Putin didn't have Trump's mushroom pecker....STILL has it, it ain't heavy.... in his pocket is laughable. And Trump has no plan, rather concepts of plans that have drawn widespread condemnation from most economists. Tariffs? What do you think will happen to today's inflation rate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream

On 6 February 2022, speaking at a joint news conference with German chancellor Olaf Scholz, American president Joe Biden said "If Russia invades … Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." When asked how he would do that, he responded, "I promise you, we’ll be able to do it."[10]

On 26 September 2022, news broke of four explosions at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 natural gas pipelines, rendering three of the four lines inoperable. Three separate investigations were started by Germany, Sweden and Denmark, the latter two were closed without publicly assigned responsibility for the damage in February 2024.[11][12] In June 2024 German authorities issued an arrest warrant for a Ukrainian national suspected of the sabotage.[13]

Although none of the four Nord Stream pipelines were in operation, they still contained pressurized natural gas, of which vast quantities were released into the Baltic Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_pipelines_sabotage

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