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[DesertDrifter]

Yep, one can lead a magat to reality, but you can't make them think.

[blackhawks]

And perhaps former VP J.N. Garner's take on the worth of the VP's office still pertains.

Like most vice presidents in this era, Garner had little to do and little influence on the president's policies. He famously described the vice presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm piss" (for many years, this quote was bowdlerized as "warm spit").[16] Historian Patrick Cox traces the possible origin of this quote to a 1960 conversation with Lyndon B. Johnson, who consulted Garner on John F. Kennedy's offer to run for vice president.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nance_Garner