LOL, to clarify: '.. have to be happy. Just playing games here.' lol Exactly. That's why i have not been picking LIV players, to be happy. It's added to the fun in Diehard, and in other comps here. It's created a bigger challenge. It's been the process that counts more than the result which was anticipated, lol, and which has left something to be desired. My earlier mention of negative result was simply stating a fact. ;-)