brooklyn13, Didn't say i didn't know about it, just simply wondered why you hadn't supplied a link with your introduction of it, as you have now done.
Please try to see and express things correctly, it would make much much easier for you.
It doesn't shed any more light on my historical perspective, it was always there.
"Why should those countries care about Russian aggression in Europe? You do know why Putin calls Ukrainians Nazis, right?"
Why? Just because positions change as time passes. Vietnam deals with America today. Germany is a western ally. Some countries move on more smoothly than other. Same for people. Don't have to forget or even forgive to move on. You, e.g. seem to have more trouble moving on than many others have.
Sigh..........., yes, we all have read why Putin calls Ukrainians Nazis there are posts on the board on that too.
Ukraine war: President Putin speech fact-checked
22 February 2023 By Reality Check team, BBC News
EPA A woman holds her child as she watches the televised address by Russian President Vladimir Putin before the Federal Assembly, in Moscow, Russia, 21 February 2023. 'EPA
President Vladimir Putin addressed the Russian public in a national address which lasted for almost two hours.
In the speech, he made a series of claims about the war in Ukraine and was highly critical of Western countries.
We've looked into some of his statements.
'The neo-Nazi regime that set up in Ukraine after 2014'
Mr Putin has repeatedly made baseless claims about a "neo-Nazi regime" in Ukraine as a justification for Russia's invasion of the country.
In Ukraine's last parliamentary election in 2019, support for far-right candidates was 2%, far lower than in many other European countries.
It should also be noted that President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish and members of his family died in the Holocaust.
But there have been far-right groups in Ukraine - the most high-profile is the Azov regiment - elements of which have expressed support for Nazi ideology.
begin insert ------ [Insert: Zardiw (will do for me for you for now), Why do all you MAGA cult members project so much. [...]The Facts on ‘De-Nazifying’ Ukraine A statement signed by more than 300 historians who study genocide, Nazism and World War II said Putin’s rhetoric about de-Nazifying fascists among Ukraine’s elected leadership is “propaganda.” P - “We strongly reject the Russian government’s cynical abuse of the term genocide, the memory of World War II and the Holocaust, and the equation of the Ukrainian state with the Nazi regime to justify its unprovoked aggression,” the statement says. “This rhetoric is factually wrong, morally repugnant and deeply offensive to the memory of millions of victims of Nazism and those who courageously fought against it, including Russian and Ukrainian soldiers of the Red Army. P - “We do not idealize the Ukrainian state and society. Like any other country, it has right-wing extremists and violent xenophobic groups. Ukraine also ought to better confront the darker chapters of its painful and complicated history. Yet none of this justifies the Russian aggression and the gross mischaracterization of Ukraine.” P - One of the authors of the statement, Eugene Finkel, an associate professor at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, told us the influence of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi faction is relatively small. P - “Neo-Nazi, far right and xenophobic groups do exist in Ukraine, like in pretty much any other country, including Russia,” Finkel said. “They are vocal and can be prone to violence but they are numerically small, marginal and their political influence at the state level is non-existent. That is not to say that Ukraine doesn’t have a far-right problem. It does. But I would consider the KKK in the US and skinheads and neo-Nazi groups in Russia a much bigger problem and threat than the Ukrainian far right.” [...] Ultra-Nationalist Militias The far right also gained some traction after popular uprisings in 2013 and 2014 when Ukraine’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, suspended an agreement passed by Ukraine’s Parliament to establish closer economic ties to the European Union. After Yanukovych ultimately fled the country, Russian troops invaded and then annexed Crimea and supported Russian separatists who fought against Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine. P - One of the volunteer paramilitary regiments at the forefront of the battle with Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine was a group called the Azov battalion, which was founded by members of two neo-Nazi groups. One of the group’s organizers .. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-azov-battalion-mariupol-neo-nazis-b2043022.html , Andriy Biletsky, is a white supremacist, who in 2014 wrote, “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival. A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” P - The battalion’s success in 2014 in helping to win back the city of Mariupol from separatists has made them heroes to many in Ukraine, Izabella Tabarovsky of the Wilson Center told us. P - “If they [Ukrainian citizens] value them, it is not because of any Nazi ideology,” said Tabarovsky, who manages the Wilson Center’s Russia File and Focus Ukraine blogs. “They value its patriotic stance. They value a group that fights an enemy that thinks their country has no right to exist.” [...]Experts say the Ukrainian government’s embrace of the Azov regiment is largely pragmatic. P - “We have to be honest, they were just good fighters in 2014 and they seem to be good fighters now in Mariupol, that’s why they were taken on the books,” Kacper Rekawek at the University of Oslo’s Center for Research on Extremism told the BBC. That military success has, in turn, bolstered the far right’s reputation in the country. [...]The Azov battalion, which has about 1,000 members, represents a small minority of the overall Ukrainian military. As the BBC reported .. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60853404 , the Ukrainian armed forces number some 250,000, and the National Guard — of which Azov is a part — has around 50,000 members. P - And some say the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi leanings of the Azov regiment have become less prevalent. In 2015, a spokesman for the Azov brigade told USA Today .. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/ .. that 10% to 20% of the group’s members are Nazis. The leader of the Azov regiment, Biletsky, has since left to start a political party. And while there are still some far-right ties remaining in the unit, there have also been a flow of new recruits “who mostly are not there because of the regiment’s ideology, but because of its reputation as a particularly tough fighting unit,” Andreas Umland, an analyst at the Stockholm Centre for Eastern European Studies at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, told us in a Skype interview. P - American officials, however, remain wary of the group. For several years, U.S. appropriations bills have specifically prohibited military aid from going to Azov. For example, on March 10, the Senate finalized a spending bill that provides $13.6 billion in new aid for Ukraine but specifically states .. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2471/text , “None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide arms, training, or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=172989561] -------- end insert
VIDEO -- From 2022: Ros Atkins on... Putin’s false Nazi claims about Ukraine
It was formed to resist Russian-backed separatists, who seized areas of eastern Ukraine in 2014, and was subsequently absorbed as a unit within the Ukrainian military.
'One of the brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces... was awarded the name Edelweiss, like the Hitler division'
Here, Mr Putin drew a comparison between a Ukrainian army unit and the Nazis' 1st Mountain Division - which had the Edelweiss flower on its insignia and committed war crimes in the Second World War.
The next day, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs highlighted this as "evidence" of Nazis in Ukraine in a tweet.
But the Edelweiss flower - which grows in Alpine regions - has been used as a symbol by other European mountain military divisions, including the Croatian Mountain Rescue Service .. https://www.hgss.hr/ , Swiss Army generals and the 21st Rifles Brigade of Poland.
Even Russia had a special unit called Edelweiss. The 17th special purpose detachment of Rosgvardia was given this title in 2011. The name was changed to Avanguard in 2016.
'We also remember the attempts of the Kyiv regime to acquire nuclear weapons, because they talked about it publicly'
There is no evidence that Ukraine has attempted to acquire nuclear weapons, and Mr Putin - who has made this claim before - did not provide any.
When it was part of the former Soviet Union, nuclear weapons were based in Ukraine, but in 1994 Ukraine signed up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and gave them up, in return for security guarantees.
In 2021, the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, Andriy Melnyk, suggested that if Ukraine couldn't join Nato, it might have to reconsider its nuclear-free status.
But the Ukrainian government has not expressed an intention to acquire nuclear weapons and a military strategy document published in 2021 did not refer to them.
The UN's nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), says it has seen no signs in Ukraine "of the diversion of nuclear material, intended for peaceful activities, for other purposes."
That contraction still makes it the worst-performing country on the IMF's list, but the organisation confirms that it has contracted by less than expected.
The IMF said that Russian trade was being redirected to countries not applying sanctions against it.
Too bad you just approach this stuff like an ordinary person without hangups. We aren't fucking competing with you, we just disagree about Israel's approach to their existence.
In conclusion: Yes, be sure we know you say you'd like to see Netanyahu and the settler heads in jail, still on the bigger picture, surely you see the clarity in this of Smotrich's ..
Smotrich was granted expanded powers over Israel’s administration of the occupied territory under Netanyahu’s governing coalition. Smotrich laid out his plans for the West Bank at a conference for his ultranationalist Religious Zionism Party last month, a recording of which was obtained by Peace Now. He said he intended to appropriate up to 15 square kilometers (nearly 6 square miles) of land in the West Bank this year. P - “We came to settle the land, to build it, and to prevent its division and the establishment of a Palestinian state, God forbid,” he said during the conference. He vowed to “change the map dramatically” by claiming more West Bank land than ever before as state land. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174710974
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