To clarify in my last message, I'm talking specifically about defenders of such stocks like Sint; whereas 'winners' (meaning clearly above board companies) do not have people overemphasizing the 'playing' of the stock price.... These companies just do 'normal' business with various credible institutions and lenders moving them along. There's no constant drama (unlike poorly run penny plays) thrown into the mix all the time as to why the continual under performance. For the most part, if problems do arise, a company will make whatever change is necessary in order to keep the investment community interested and the company a worthwhile investment. Defenders of penny play fails, blame outside forces instead of where it belongs i.e. management, bod, etc. I see it all the time.