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12yearplan

03/07/24 10:30 AM

#465251 RE: B402 #465249

As far as inequity both things are true

Be non-dependant and hustle ur azz AND too much wealth of the commons (that's the planet with limited resources) goes to too few.
[Suck it up Buttercup ;]

And, People would rather point the finger at the low life magats and say any number of things that they are lazy, uneducated or whatever..... On to say its all their fault......So as temperatures rise, don't expect the rhetoric to help.....

Exactly, let's focus on blaming the immigrants.
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blackhawks

03/07/24 11:15 AM

#465265 RE: B402 #465249

Income inequality has been falling for a while now
Obama-Biden economics are accomplishing more than people realize


MATTHEW YGLESIAS
JAN 3, 2023

https://www.slowboring.com/p/inequality-falling

In 2017, though, updated economic data showed that by the end of Obama’s term, median wages and household income were at an all-time high.

But with the general tumult of Trump’s presidency, the pandemic, and January 6, the economy largely fell out of a busy news cycle, to the point where I find many people don’t realize that inequality has actually been declining since the Great Recession. Not by enough to undo the run-up in the 1980s and 1990s, but enough to alter our understanding of recent political economy and trends.

Obama’s policies reduced inequality

I often wish more people paid attention to the fact that government data is released with a lag and that those lags vary. Information about the stock market updates daily, information about unemployment updates with about a monthly lag, but information on median household income takes years to update, and so sometimes a narrative will get locked in, even though it’s already outdated on the merits.

I think that’s very much the case for the Obama years, where the correct observation that “the recovery from the Great Recession was too slow” curdled into a narrative of long-term economic decline.

Pulling back a little bit, we can see that median income was growing rapidly by the end of Obama’s term, and the overall growth record from 1990 to 2020 was quite good. In 2014, “we peaked in 1999” was true. But by Trump’s inauguration, it was true that “the average American family has never had it so good.” We had three good years of continuing growth under Trump, and although that was temporarily derailed by a pandemic, I think that unlike during the recovery from the financial crisis, the economic costs have largely not implicated economic policy.

But if you understand the Obama record as successfully altering the inequality trajectory and bringing median income to an all-time high, that casts his other achievements (lower greenhouse gas emissions, marriage equality, etc.) in a different context and makes the idea of “let’s beat Trump and keep on keeping on” look more plausible.

Inequality reduction has continued under Biden

During a recession, incomes fall almost by definition. And the Covid-19 pandemic induced a doozy of a recession. From a policy perspective, compared to 2007-2009, the U.S. government chose on a number of levels to take the hit in the form of elevated inflation rather than elevated unemployment. In retrospect, we clearly erred too much on the side of inflation. But if we’d tried to navigate these choppy waters without ever going over two percent inflation, then unemployment would have been dramatically worse. Better policy could have improved outcomes somewhat, but the big problem is that the pandemic itself left us poorer.

That being said, ignoring the pandemic boom/bust, inflation-adjusted median earnings in the third quarter of 2022 were higher than they were in the third quarter of 2019 and less than two percent lower than in the pre-pandemic quarter. If we have “normal” economic growth this year, we’ll be at a new all-time high.

There’s more to life than the median, of course. But David Autor finds that we’ve actually seen much stronger-than-median wage performance among the lowest-wage workers.

Jeff Larrimore from the Federal Reserve and Jacob Mortenson and David Splinter from Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation look at a slightly different set of data and find that for workers in the bottom 20 percent of the distribution, “median real earnings including fiscal relief increased 66 percent in 2020 and earnings increases offset relief decreases in the 2021 recovery.”

This good news for low-income workers is easy to miss. You’ve probably read stories like this one from Jeanna Smialek and Ben Casselman arguing that the poor are suffering the greatest hardship due to inflation. That framing in part reflects the generalized negativity bias of the media, but also note that it’s a subtly distinct claim. Aspects of the inflationary economy — especially higher prices for basic food commodities — are bad news for everyone, but richer people have an easier time riding out bad news than poorer people. That’s true even though incomes have risen for the poorest and fallen for the richest. To consider an extreme example, there’s been plenty of coverage of the large decline in Meta’s stock market valuation over the past year, but nobody is going to write a tear-jerker story about the personal economic hardship facing Mark Zuckerberg and his family. When you’re a mega-billionaire, even huge financial losses paired with rising grocery prices don’t make it hard for you to afford food.

But if we want to understand the Biden economy, we need to keep these things in mind:

A more egalitarian tax policy passed in 2022 and hasn’t taken effect yet.

The pre-tax wage distribution has gotten more equal.

Median outcomes have been bad due to inflation, but a lot of this is the illusion of enormous inflation-adjusted gains during the worst of the pandemic.

The upshot is that if we can avoid new rounds of commodity shocks, we’ll be able to pair the egalitarian growth trajectory with positive outcomes for the median and set all kinds of new high points for wellbeing.

Building on success

The upshot is that people who care about egalitarian economics should take a more positive view of recent trends and a more risk-averse attitude toward the future.

For example, one thing that could ruin this story of egalitarian progress would be if President Ron DeSantis sweeps into office in 2024 with a half dozen new Republican senators and enacts the kind of draconian Medicaid cuts he repeatedly voted for as a House member. If you think we are failing on broadly shared growth in the present, you may be inspired to neglect downside risks. But simply achieving zero change to the tax-and-transfer policy baseline (which has taxes on the rich set to go up, thanks to the IRA) would be a significant win.

That’s not to say that we shouldn’t seek continued policy changes. But rather than thinking in terms of “big structural change” or a “political revolution,” it makes more sense to look at the long list of potential pro-growth, pro-equality regulatory changes that could be enacted on a bipartisan basis.

Ongoing efforts to improve the refundability of the Child Tax Credit would also do a lot to improve the economic outlook for the poorest. And Medicaid expansion was the biggest egalitarian triumph of the Obama years, but it still hasn’t reached Texas, Florida, and several other states. Democrats have managed to win successful pro-Medicaid electoral campaigns in places as red as Kansas and Kentucky, so it should be possible to achieve the same in Texas and Florida.

Part of the difficulty, I think, is that Texas and Florida are purple enough that local Democrats haven’t run Kelly/Beshear-style campaigns and instead keep hoping you can win as a mainstream Democrat in states that Trump carried comfortably in 2020. There is a big opportunity to move policy left by moving issue-positioning right.

It would also, obviously, be ideal to avoid a new recession in 2023 or 2024. The Fed raised interest rates a lot this past year in an effort to fight inflation. And inflation, though still high, has been trending downward. I hope they’ll be a lot more measured in the pace of increases going forward and that as long as inflation continues to trend downward, there won’t be too much worry about accelerating that trend. Conversely, Congress and the White House need to do everything possible to enact supply-side reforms that will keep growth on track.

The overall point here, though, is that while I think everyone acknowledges that the years 2009-2022 saw a lot of progress on LGBT rights and clean energy, it’s widely held that the Obama-Biden approach failed on economic equality.

That just isn’t true.

The biggest bump in the road was that Donald Trump enacted a regressive tax cut and came very close to enacting big Medicaid cuts. The big risk to the project in the future is the risk of losing an election so badly that the welfare state rollback agenda gets a new lease on life. But Obama presided over a gently growing economy and the passage of big egalitarian tax and spending initiatives. Biden has made more modest pro-equality tax changes but is also running a full employment economy that is delivering large gains to the workers at the bottom of the distribution. Continued application of the spirit of political pragmatism and empirical rigor could easily lead to further gains. There’s no reason to risk everything on radical throws of the dice.
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fuagf

03/07/24 6:42 PM

#465314 RE: B402 #465249

B402, Yep, and you tell us again which party is most responsible for increased inequality.

"These conversations will always circle back to income inequity out of control..."

Which party railed against raising the minimum wage. Which party does the most to make income tax scales less progressive.
Which party does more to disempower workers. Which party has made less of an effort to break monopolies. See:

"Bidenomics Is Real Economics" Excerpt 3
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Bidenomics’ focus on “empowering” workers is an equally radical departure from an economic orthodoxy whose theories disingenuously ignore the role of power in determining economic outcomes while employing policies that do all they can to disempower workers. Reagan infamously broke the air traffic controllers union in 1981, firing all 11,345 striking workers and vindictively banning them from public service for life. Corporate America quickly followed his lead. Over the next four decades private sector union membership plummeted .. https://www.epi.org/unequalpower/publications/private-sector-unions-corporate-legal-erosion/ .. from over 20 percent in 1980 to barely 6 percent in 2020, an erosion of worker power that is exacerbated by a $7.25 an hour federal minimum wage that would be 63 percent higher today (nearly $12 an hour) had the wage Reagan inherited merely kept pace with inflation. By contrast, when Biden broke with tradition to join striking auto workers on the picket lines, he sent a clear a message that the balance of power was shifting. A few weeks later, Ford agreed .. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/17/uaw-ford-workers-ratify-new-contract.html .. to a contract that delivers auto workers an effective 33 percent raise. Stellantis, GM, and even non-unionized automakers quickly followed.

Contrary to the charts in the Econ 101 textbooks, employers don’t pay you what you’re worth. They pay you what you have the power to negotiate. When worker power erodes, so do real wages.

In fact, the stagnant wages of the past forty years are best understood as a feature of Reaganomics, not a bug.
[...]
But of Bidenomics’ three pillars, [1. public investment .. 2. empowering workers .. 3. promoting competition] perhaps the most dramatic departure from the old consensus has come in the administration’s historic Executive Order on Competition .. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/07/09/executive-order-on-promoting-competition-in-the-american-economy/ , which “commits the federal government to full and aggressive enforcement of our antitrust laws .. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/09/remarks-by-president-biden-at-signing-of-an-executive-order-promoting-competition-in-the-american-economy/for the first time in more than forty years.

On antitrust as on most economic issues, Reaganomics simply asks us to place our faith in the infinite wisdom of the market.
[...]
This emphasis on efficiency illustrates a fundamental disagreement between Reaganomics and Bidenomics. The orthodox economic theories that inform Reaganomics insist that the market functions primarily as a self-organizing tool for efficiently allocating capital, and if efficiency can be maximized through market concentration or automation or offshoring (or union busting), then so be it. By contrast, Bidenomics is grounded in modern economic theory that recognizes that, while markets are incredibly effective at evolving new solutions to human problems, they are often remarkably inefficient, and that what capital efficiencies they create can sometimes come with unacceptable amounts of economic and societal risk. For example, the capital efficiencies that arguably came from relying on “just in time” deliveries of masks and gowns and gloves and other basic medical supplies offshored to low-cost Chinese manufacturers surely cost American lives during the early months of the COVID-19 pandemic, while the subsequent shortage of semiconductors, mostly designed in America but efficiently manufactured overseas, ground our automobile industry to a halt for want of a domestic supply at any price.

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173500262

Your enabling of Trump by constantly piling on the Dems is wildly contradictory to your claim to be independent.

Your false equivalency that the extremes of both parties are equally damaging to America is just silly.