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12yearplan

02/15/24 10:55 AM

#462001 RE: B402 #461999

Well, Biden did stand aside and was going to let Putin have Ukraine

Record doesn't seem to support this statement.

Money already invested (read investment)
Sanctions, int'l lobbying, etc,..
And, Heroic effort to combat intransigent Repugs - who are the ones that need to step aside

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46 1999 is millennial madness
46 2001 is a deep space oddessy
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blackhawks

02/15/24 10:55 AM

#462002 RE: B402 #461999

You don't know how ridiculous that sounds, do you? I mean compared to 'oh, Trump's in court now'.

Oh...
Fani hearing on now.....


But as the board's 'moral imbecility chef' we can always count on you to serve up especially thin gruel.
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fuagf

02/15/24 4:01 PM

#462034 RE: B402 #461999

B402, You are wrong in not putting all the responsibility on Putin for his Ukraine war. You are right in saying the West's reluctance to take aggressive action against Putin in retaliation for his aggression over decades has contributed to his confidence that he could get away with more.

You are wrong in not giving some credit for the hopes and good intentions of those who hesitated in retaliating in kind to every aggressive action Putin has taken since he came to power. You are wrong in not understanding and accepting why so many tried so hard to avoid greater conflict.

You are wrong in not stating clearly that the American public has made it clear they were tired of the U.S. being involved in war. You are wrong in not acknowledging that obviously would have been an integral part of both Obama's and Biden's thinking over years. Not purely for political reasons either, but also because they also have some duty to serve their electorate's interests. Few want more war. To work to that end should not be dismissed entirely as being just simply wrong-headed.

Have you never had an individual you hoped you might find some accommodation with disappoint you. Putin has disappointed more than most. Hindsight is a refuge too many tyrants hide in on their way to gaining power. Why you would give so much support to Trump in that is beyond me.

Your fleeting mention of Georgia and Bush there, and your attempt to regain some credibility by finally acknowledging Trump's people did in fact collude with Russia goes nowhere while you continue to give support to Trump by your unrelenting Biden bashing.

There is much factual good for you to acknowledge about Biden, i do not recall you ever offering one positive comment about him.