Replies to post #461477 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[B402]

You seem to understand completely....However...

People have been voting for the lesser of two evils for sometime.....More often than not leaning left hoping they would adhere to their old time values.....

There isn't enough time or paper to list the progressive policies that only add to the biggest issues and policies that have damaged the country.....And Its now hurting the middle class in ways its never done before.....Check polling....

So its not me and my choice, (I explained that once), its the choice the people are presented with.......Now at this very moment, the choice has gotten worse as the 86% poll of those worried about Biden, which btw, included 70+% of dems and 90% of independents......Its a choice they didn't want in the first place...

Dems answer 'attack trump'....Really!?? Myself and voters are to take that as responsible governance and that you're willing to do what ever it takes to right the ship?

Dems answers of I passed this or that single bill that accomplished nothing, other than a talking point, once again not grasping the true out of control nature of corps and their ever growing effect....(upon examination they all too often full of loopholes to boot)

Lets take East Palestine or nurses strikes, teachers strikes....

No dems point out Joes photo op for the uaw when there were no rank and file in sight,,,,Key word Photo Op.....Fien told him to stay the f out of negotiations..... He wisely throws support to Biden but I wouldn't ask the rank and file! Their response has something to do with Brandon....

Teachers strikes.....No dems on the news, here or even the first teacher giving public support

Nurses the same.....Police,,,,,,Can't bring that up....(just foundational examples, we've had the conversations here)

In short people see the insanity.......Too many years of folks in a bubble as the American dream died...Millennials are now doing the math.....Ill never own a house, new car and will feel lucky to have an apartment....

There are about a 1000 realities people now deal with that aren't even part of the conversation, below the radar and even squelched or just not reported by media,

So let dems say I'm the least evil, in short, things will not change, continue to get worse as they have over the last 3 yrs and decades,,,Thats what people see and feel...

I think people have seen your and Reich's argument for some time now,,,,,And went along...Now I'd don't think they are willing to....Without trump, it would be a landslide loss for the dems....Still might be....

How do I phrase this to dems, cause its in the back of nearly everyone's mind, even moderate dems and over whelming with independents..... By disagreeing 'I hope I didn't Fucking 'offend' you!'.....as they offend when responding to any counter point or concern.... It speaks volumes!!!!!.....(And of course that or any of this is NOT directed at you personally or any response or post you've made)......

In short dems did not and do not now, grasp the situation we and society find ourselves in...Still leaving the door wide open to......(well you know the alternative ;)

[12yearplan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but what you describe seems to be fairly close to what Chris Hedges outlines.

I was just about to ask ChatGPT what are Chris Hedges SOLUTIONS to this problem and came across a discussion on Quora which looks like it was generated by a Chatbot:

Chris Hedges, a prominent American journalist, has indeed expressed concerns about the decline of America across various aspects. It's important to note that his viewpoints represent his own analysis and opinions, which may not be universally shared.

When discussing the decline or challenges faced by a society, it is essential to consider the broader context and not limit the analysis solely to the United States. While Hedges may focus on the United States specifically, societal challenges and concerns are not exclusive to any single country.

Many of the issues and trends identified by Hedges, such as wealth inequality, political polarization, environmental degradation, and the erosion of democratic institutions, are not confined to the United States alone. These challenges can be observed in varying degrees across multiple Western societies and, to some extent, globally.

Different countries and regions face their unique socio-political, economic, and cultural circumstances that contribute to their specific challenges. However, there are commonalities among Western societies, such as the influence of neoliberal economic policies, the impact of globalization, and the effects of technological advancements, which can contribute to shared concerns.

It's important to approach discussions about societal decline or challenges with a nuanced perspective, taking into account the complexities and variations within different countries and regions. Comparative analysis and examination of shared trends and systemic factors can provide a broader understanding of societal issues beyond any single nation.

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Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author who has written extensively about the decline of America. He argues that the United States is facing a number of existential threats, including economic inequality, political corruption, and environmental destruction.

Hedges' concerns about the decline of America are shared by many people, both inside and outside the country. However, there is no consensus on whether the United States is the sole and leading phenomenon of this collapse, or whether it is typical of "Western" societies more broadly.

Some people argue that the United States is unique in its decline, pointing to the country's history of exceptionalism and its role as a global superpower. They argue that the United States is facing a number of challenges that other Western countries do not face, such as the rise of China and the decline of the middle class.

Others argue that the decline of America is part of a broader trend of decline in Western societies. They point to the fact that many Western countries are facing similar challenges, such as economic inequality, political polarization, and environmental degradation. They argue that these challenges are the result of the same underlying factors, such as the rise of neoliberalism and the decline of social democracy.

It is too early to say definitively whether the United States is the sole and leading phenomenon of the decline of Western societies. However, it is clear that the United States is facing a number of serious challenges, and that these challenges are not unique to the country. It is also clear that the decline of Western societies is a complex issue with no easy solutions.

Here are some of the challenges that Western societies are facing:

* **Economic inequality:** The gap between the rich and the poor is widening in many Western countries. This is leading to social unrest and political instability.

* **Political polarization:** People in Western countries are becoming increasingly divided along political lines. This is making it difficult to find common ground and solve problems.

* **Environmental degradation:** Western countries are contributing to climate change and other environmental problems. This is threatening the planet's future.

These are just some of the challenges that Western societies are facing. It is important to address these challenges in order to prevent the decline of these societies.
https://www.quora.com/Chris-Hedges-has-expressed-deep-concerns-about-the-decline-of-America-in-various-aspects-Is-the-United-States-the-sole-and-leading-phenomenon-of-this-collapse-or-is-it-typical-of-Western-societies