Thx Dew I know the bull case for VERA and EWTX .....would be interested in the bear case ( beside the obvious ...failed trials etc ) if anyone would like to opine . EWTX's data looks the best IMHO since MYOK ( haven't followed CYTK closely ) VERA ...wife has CKD patients with IgAN ...their data looks best for preserving eGFR ( kidney function ) ...based on recent data release. Kiwi Ps. " screaming into a void "...just a journalistic " hook " ...hope U don't mind :--)