News Focus
News Focus
icon url

umustlikedat

01/24/24 3:34 PM

#783865 RE: Barron4664 #783854

Thank you Barron
icon url

DaJester

01/24/24 3:38 PM

#783866 RE: Barron4664 #783854

Sticky please!!

OUTSTANDING FIND BARRON!
icon url

JOoa0ky

01/24/24 3:51 PM

#783870 RE: Barron4664 #783854

My fingers got tired scrolling through your copy/paste.
icon url

stoxjock

01/24/24 4:13 PM

#783878 RE: Barron4664 #783854

The Proceedings of meetings/conversation is very long and I am not an expert but clearly the FASAB, which is the pre-eminent body that is promulgating Accounting Standards for the US companies clearly felt the 'warrants' were only for the purpose of guarantee if the Govt lost on its 'investment' of 200 B and they won't have to be exercised If the Money 'invested'/'bailout' money was paid back. Clearly, the FnF twins have paid off all that 'Principal' and then a TON more. Unless the US Treasury wants to just "STEAL' Shareholder money, the FASAB guidelines are clearly against the exercise of the 'Warrants', at this point of time. There is no way any 'justification' can be found, per the 'FASAB standards'...I have an MBA -Finance from Baruch-Zicklin...
icon url

NeoSunTzu

01/24/24 5:18 PM

#783888 RE: Barron4664 #783854

On the Warrants Post: well now, that's a bit of mess to deal with. Anyway, try this: copy the entire post into Word, execute a "ctrl F" search on "warrants". Word will let you step through them instance by instance, and you can poach the needles from the proverbial haystack.

Next, I have seen these before, and many people who have posted over the years in various forums have more or less paraphrased, mixed and matched, sometimes garbled, and most often botched the true value you find in these minutes first-hand. Many people in various forums are adamant that the warrants will, or should never be executed, and I suspect these minutes are the reason why; however, I would be cautious relying on these minutes for that end.

While, if ever taken to court after execution, I do believe these minutes would cast serious doubt, if not destroy any validity of execution, these minutes are not a legal agreement between any two parties. It would take an actual court case, the minutes being allowed as evidence, and then weighed against 15 years of subsequent actions. Furthermore, I suspect the real reason for all of the amendments, letter agreements, and other FHFA/TSY nonsense has been to obfuscate the initial actions as much as possible, create new means to roll the GSEs over until they could convince Congress to kill them, and riddle the entire c'ship with such man-made complexity as to create a Gordian Knot never to be disentangled.

In anycase, here is an interesting excerpt from Barron's post that should be shoved down the throat of anyone pushing execution of the warrants or their legality:

"Mr. Reid reminded the Board that the government owning the preferred stock with punitive dividend terms provides incentive for the GSE’s to work its issues out as expeditiously as possible. Furthermore, by design, the warrants were issued not to take ownership but rather to devalue the common stock.
Mr. Allen asked whether or not in an economic sense the government exercised the warrants. Mr. Reid explained that the government does not need to exercise the warrants to enter into conservatorship and that there is no economic reason to exercise the warrants since its rights are statutory in nature. Mr. Dacey concurred with this explanation as well as stating that the government has separate rights apart from the warrants.
Mr. Werfel then explained that it is important to understand the government’s intention. The intention was not to eliminate the ownership interests but to prevent current shareholder speculation resulting in speculators taking advantage of government intervention at the expense of others. Driving the stock market value to zero prevents this manipulation from happening. Further, timing is important since on September 7 when the conservatorship took affect the stated policy and intention was, and continues to be, that the conservatorship is temporary. There are published statements from the Secretary of the Treasury that the goal is to get the GSE’s back to a stable fiscal position so that they can go forward operating as they were operating before the conservatorship."
icon url

stockprofitter

01/24/24 8:31 PM

#783904 RE: Barron4664 #783854

Sticky
icon url

jcromeenes

01/24/24 9:06 PM

#783910 RE: Barron4664 #783854

That's a lot of reading. I'll wait for the movie. lol
icon url

Wise Man

01/25/24 12:03 AM

#783935 RE: Barron4664 #783854

FnF weren't part of TARP. They form part of the Charter Act.
You posted the same lunacy last week, pro se plaintiff.
Quit posting phony claims, aiming to tarnish other valid claims brought up.

It is pretty obvious to me that Treasury used TARP to fund the SPS.