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I call a full load of BS...

"Richard Patterson, a retired firefighter, in the Bronx. Like tens of millions of other Trump supporters, Patterson firmly believes that the 2020 election was stolen."

Horseshit, no they don't...at all, they just say they do! Trying to make it sound like they have conviction on the subject; what they have is a belief in a can't come soon enough convict.

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Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy

By Susan Heavey
December 5, 20239:24 AM CSTUpdated 2 hours ago


Republican congresswoman Liz Cheney speaks during the Anti-Defamation League's "Never is Now" summit at the Jacob Javits Convention Center in Manhattan in New York City, New York, U.S., November 10, 2022. REUTERS/Jeenah Moon Acquire Licensing Rights

WASHINGTON, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Republican former U.S. Representative Liz Cheney, an outspoken critic of ex-President Donald Trump who co-chaired the congressional probe of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, said she is weighing a third-party bid for the White House in 2024.

In media interviews, Cheney said she was considering running for president next year as a third-party conservative candidate or on a bipartisan ticket that would include both a Republican and a Democrat. She cited Trump as a threat to democracy and the United States.

"We face threats that could be existential to the United States, and we need a candidate who is going to be able to deal with and address and confront all of those challenges," Cheney told the Washington Post in remarks published on Tuesday.

She said she planned to decide on a run in coming months.

Cheney, 57, who lost her re-election bid in 2020 amid a tide of pro-Trump sentiment in her party, served as the top Republican on the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 Capitol attack by Trump supporters who wanted to overturn his election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

She has kept her focus on the former president, echoing Biden in saying that another Trump presidency would threaten American democratic institutions.

"I happen to think democracy is at risk at home, obviously, as a result of Donald Trump’s continued grip on the Republican Party, and I think democracy is at risk internationally as well," she told the Post.

Cheney made similar remarks in interviews with USA Today and MSNBC coinciding with the launch Tuesday of her memoir, "Oath and Honor: a Memoir and a Warning." She could not immediately be reached for comment.

Despite Cheney's political setbacks, the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney has deep roots in the Republican Party and has cultivated a national network of donors that has enabled her to stockpile millions of dollars.

Trump remains the frontrunner in the 2024 race for the Republican presidential nomination despite indictments in four state and federal criminal cases, including one in Washington over his role in efforts to overturn his 2020 loss.

Trump has denied any wrongdoing and has vowed to carry out reprisals against those he perceives to have wronged him if elected again. Representatives for his campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Reporting by Susan Heavey; Editing by Doina Chiacu and Jonathan Oatis

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/liz-cheney-weighs-third-party-us-presidential-run-says-trump-threatens-democracy-2023-12-05/

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Violent Trumpers -- 'I'll take up arms if he asks': Violent supporters line up behind Trump

"Repeat excerpts: Trump’s Next Coup Has Already Begun
[...][Insert: Cleta the cheata, N Carolina - As 2024 Voting Battles Heat Up, North Carolina G.O.P. Presses Forward
"Yep. Trump does still have much control within the GOP. See YouTube of the NBC News video in yours
[...]Lawyer [insert Mar. 25, Cleta Mitchell] Who Plotted to Overturn Trump Loss Recruits Election Deniers to Watch Over the Vote
Mar. 2, 2023 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=171344479 "
When losing on all policy fronts what do you do? Lie. Cheat. Try to steal. The Trump GOP way.
Republicans, whose edge in the state has narrowed in recent years, have gone on offense politically, leading to clashes over voting access and control over elections.
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Some of them have rewritten statutes to seize partisan control of decisions about which ballots to count and which to discard, which results to certify and which to reject. They are driving out or stripping power from election officials who refused to go along with the plot last November, aiming to replace them with exponents of the Big Lie. They are fine-tuning a legal argument that purports to allow state legislators to override the choice of the voters.
[...][CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA. Conservative anti-democratic extremism rejected. For now. Be warned though - seriously warned -
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Steven Carrillo Sentenced to 41 Years in Prison for Murder and Attempted
Murder for Role in Drive-By Shooting at Federal Courthouse in Oakland
[...]... boogaloo members tend to have at least one overarching belief: They claim they are preparing
for, and are even seeking to bring about, another civil war, or “boogaloo.”
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[...]Cassidy Hutchinson’s Testimony Changed Our Minds About Indicting Donald Trump
[...]But Tuesday’s explosive testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, changed our minds. In particular, Hutchinson testified to hearing Trump order that the magnetometers (metal detectors) used to keep armed people away from the president be removed: “I don’t fucking care that they have weapons, they’re not here to hurt me. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the fucking mags [magnetometers] away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here; let the people in and take the mags away.”
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[...]Miloševic, Pape said, inspired bloodshed by appealing to fears that Serbs were losing their dominant place to upstart minorities. “What he is arguing” in the 1989 speech “is that Muslims in Kosovo and generally throughout the former Yugoslavia are essentially waging genocide on the Serbs,” Pape said. “And really, he doesn’t use the word replaced. But this is what the modern term would be.”"

Julia Conley, Common Dreams
May 31, 2024 1:03PM ET


A Trump-themed flag is flown by supporters across the street from Trump Tower before former U.S. President Donald Trump holds a press conference in New York City on May 31, 2024. (Photo: Angela Weiss/AFP via Getty Images)

As supporters of Donald Trump flood right-wing platforms with threats against the jurors and judge following guilty verdicts Thursday in his criminal case regarding hush money payments, fears are growing that the influence the Republican presumptive presidential nominee has over his supporters will soon lead to violence.

"Until and unless he accepts the process, the extremist reaction to his legal troubles will be militant," Jacob Ware, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told .. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/ .. Reuters.

The former president gave no sign of accepting the legal process Friday as he held a press conference at Trump Tower, repeating claims that the case had been "rigged."

Shortly after a New York jury announced its verdict .. https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-convicted .. in the case regarding documents that were falsified to cover up payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniel just before the 2016 election to keep her from publicizing an alleged sexual encounter she had with Trump, right-wing websites like Gateway Pundit, Truth Social, and Patriots.Win saw an uptick in violent posts from users.

One commenter called for "someone in NY with nothing to lose" to "take care of" New York Supreme Court .. https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court/ .. Justice Juan Merchan, while another on Gateway Pundit directed a threat at any and all opponents of Trump.

"Time to start capping some leftys," said the user. "This cannot be fixed by voting."

The reaction is a direct result, said Ware, of Trump's "insistence that he is being mistreated."

Trump retains an ironclad ability to mobilize more extreme supporters to action, both at the ballot box and through violence. His repeated insistence that he is being mistreated will inevitably lead to violent mobilization. https://t.co/dUwSDJ4OcS

— Jacob Ware (@Jacob_A_Ware) May 31, 2024

Trump responded to the verdict on Thursday by telling reporters he is "a very innocent man" and calling the trial—one of four criminal cases against him—"a disgrace." He is expected to appeal the verdict. On Friday morning, the Trump campaign announced a $35 million fundraising haul following the guilty verdict.

Some Trump supporters signaled they are waiting for instructions from the former president, who is the presumptive Republican nominee for president in the November general election and is set to be formally nominated days after his scheduled sentencing in July.

On Patiots.win, one commenter called for 1 million armed Trump supporters to "go to Washington and hang everyone," while another said the former president "should already know he has an army willing to fight and die for him if he says the words...I'll take up arms if he asks."

While Republican lawmakers have not explicitly endorsed a violent reaction to the verdict that found Trump guilty of 34 felony counts, many have joined Trump in making clear that they don't accept the trial's outcome.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who has said she would not endorse Trump in the 2024 election, said .. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4695886-susan-collins-criticizes-new-yorks-prosecution-of-trump/ .. Manhattan District Attorney charged Trump for politically motivated reasons and falsely claimed that he campaigned on prosecuting the former president.

Collins, like almost every other Republican, is lying about what Bragg said on the campaign trail. He did not promise to prosecute Trump. Reporters should call them on it, not just reprint their statements uncritically. https://t.co/yVC78g58BC

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) May 31, 2024

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said the "charges never should have been brought in the first place," while House Speaker Mike Johnson accused the Biden administration of the "weaponization of our justice system."

Progressives agreed with Trump on one point Friday, after he pledged that the hush money case is "long from over" and said that "the real verdict is going to be November 5" when U.S. voters go to the polls in the general election.

While celebrating that a jury of "everyday people" held the former president accountable and proved that "despite his worst efforts, Trump is not above the law," People's Action executive director Sulma Arias said .. https://peoplesaction.org/we-must-still-defeat-trump-at-the-ballot-box/ ... Democrats "must beat him at the ballot box" to keep him from further eroding .. https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-says-the-real-verdict-will-be-in-november-and-progressives-agree .. U.S. democracy, climate action, and other progressive values.

https://www.rawstory.com/i-ll-take-up-arms-if-he-asks-violent-supporters-rush-to-trump-after-guilty-verdict/

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How A Trump Diplomat Helped To Bring Down Kosovo's Government

"Repeat excerpts: Trump’s Next Coup Has Already Begun
[...]By the time Trump unleashed the angry crowd on Congress, Pape, who is 61, had become a leading scholar on the intersection of warfare and politics. He saw an essential similarity between Miloševic and Trump—one that suggested disturbing hypotheses about Trump’s most fervent supporters. Pape, who directs the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats, or CPOST, called a staff meeting two days after the Capitol attack. “I talked to my research team and told them we were going to reorient everything we were doing,” he told me.
P - Miloševic, Pape said, inspired bloodshed by appealing to fears that Serbs were losing their dominant place to upstart minorities. “What he is arguing” in the 1989 speech “is that Muslims in Kosovo and generally throughout the former Yugoslavia are essentially waging genocide on the Serbs,” Pape said. “And really, he doesn’t use the word replaced. But this is what the modern term would be.”
P - Pape was alluding to a theory called the “Great Replacement."

Related: More relevant than ever at six years old - How fascism works
"The three pillars of fascism
[...](1) Demonization of domestic enemies
[...]This is why fascism flourishes in moments of great anxiety, because you can connect that anxiety with fake loss. The story is typically that a once-great society has been destroyed by liberalism or feminism or cultural Marxism or whatever, and you make the dominant group feel angry and resentful about the loss of their status and power. Almost every manifestation of fascism mirrors this general narrative.
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June 5, 20205:07 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition

Joanna Kakissis
4-Minute Listen

Transcript

Richard Grenell, a Trump administration diplomat, had an unorthodox approach to resolving a dispute in the Balkans, which helped to topple a friendly government in the middle of a pandemic.

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

Next we have the story of a Trump administration move that apparently helped to topple a pro-American government. The government was that of Kosovo. The administration here was represented by Richard Grenell. He is a former political operative named by the president as U.S. ambassador to Germany and then to head U.S. intelligence temporarily. Grenell resigned this week as ambassador to Germany but remains a special envoy mediating the conflict between Serbia and Kosovo. Joanna Kakissis reports on Grenell's role in a country where the U.S. has a long history.

JOANNA KAKISSIS, BYLINE: Twenty-one years ago, the U.S. led NATO into war in the Balkans. The mission - protect the people of Kosovo from ethnic cleansing by the Serbian government that ruled them. Then, in 2008, came this announcement.

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UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: (Through interpreter) We, the democratically elected leaders of our people, hereby declare Kosovo an independent state.

(APPLAUSE)

KAKISSIS: Today Kosovo, a mainly Muslim ethnic Albanian country, is the most pro-American nation in the world.

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UNIDENTIFIED SINGER: (Singing) Thank you, U.S.A. You are my best friend.

ALBIN KURTI: I always viewed United States of America as the greatest ally.

KAKISSIS: That is Albin Kurti, selected as Kosovo's prime minister in February.

KURTI: The United States of America has been an indispensable partner for us in war and in peace for justice and development and democracy.

KAKISSIS: But now, Kosovo needs more friends and partners. Serbia still claims Kosovo as its own, and Serbia's allies are blocking Kosovo from entering the U.N. and the EU. Enter diplomat Richard Grenell.

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RICHARD GRENELL: President Trump has been singularly focused on trying to solve this problem by not looking backward, by not just having the same old political stalemate and arguments.

KAKISSIS: Grenell, speaking to reporters in Kosovo earlier this year, promised a quick deal would bring economic benefits.

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GRENELL: We're going to push the leaders in Kosovo and in Serbia to say, look at the people; start moving forward with jobs.

KAKISSIS: That pitch appealed to Albin Kurti. Kosovo's unemployment rate is 26%. But Kurti says he got nervous when Grenell started talking about how to seal the deal.

KURTI: It is the first time now that we have an American envoy. He has the same identical stance with Serbia.

KAKISSIS: Kurti says Grenell squeezed Kosovo for concessions, pressing the Kosovars to unconditionally drop tariffs on Serbian goods and consider land swaps with Serbia. Grenell has denied discussing land swaps, but neither he nor the State Department would comment further to NPR. Kurti says Grenell wanted a quick foreign policy win for President Trump. And when Kurti blocked that win, the U.S. froze Kosovo's development aid. Grenell also retweeted a call to consider withdrawing U.S. peacekeepers from Kosovo.

MOLLY MONTGOMERY: Grenell put extraordinary pressure on the government of Kosovo.

KAKISSIS: That's Molly Montgomery, a former U.S. diplomat who served in the Balkans. Grenell, she says...

MONTGOMERY: Seems to have given up the United States' traditional role as Kosovo's main champion.

KAKISSIS: In response, Kosovo's Parliament voted to remove Kurti, which angered many of Kosovo's citizens who had voted for Kurti because of his anti-corruption platform.

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KAKISSIS: They took to their balconies to bang pots and pans, protesting the political turmoil in the middle of a pandemic. Kurti calls his ouster a parliamentary coup d'etat supported by Grenell. Analyst Agon Maliqi says many in Kosovo have reservations about how this administration treats its allies. But...

AGON MALIQI: The global context is changing. China and Russia are even more powerful. So a bit of a push from the U.S. is very welcome.

KAKISSIS: And the new prime minister has promised a deal with Serbia. As for the former prime minister Albin Kurti, he insists he has not lost faith in the U.S.

KURTI: "America First," we still do say that.

KAKISSIS: Even when it hurts. For NPR News, I'm Joanna Kakissis.

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Copyright © 2020 NPR.

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