I'll make it easy on you. I hereby end any further discussion with you. One's 'evidence' of a company's value will virtually ALWAYS be superseded by a ceo's crookedness and/ or incompetence. Reread. SOMETIMES the company CAN reverse course depending on management change. Sometimes it's too late and the company folds or is sold (usually for a trifle of real worth). I've seen it MANY times. You either won't or can't. Sint is another prime example. Perhaps if it lands in competent and/ or honest hands. Don't know and don't care. It is what it is....and has always been. The share price is proof. Take care.