Replies to post #442461 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[newmedman]

congratulations , you win the shitpost of the day award.

Your potato will be in bin #3 next to the rotting cabbage on the balcony of floor 26.

grab it quick, stock is running low. It's right next to the word salad.

[DesertDrifter]

By your superstitions beliefs if you read your God manual, you would know that a fetus becomes a child with its first breath. But a lot of skygod people twist things to their agenda. I am sure you can find that verse if you actually read the book.
No one is killing babies, you exaggerator.

[arizona1]

This is great then all folks who are not into killing babies

What do you consider a baby but slaughtering toddlers is okay? And guess what? They get to VOTE this year! #GunMonsters!

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, also called Newtown shootings of 2012,

[fuagf]

livefree-ordie, see again -- livefree_ordie Your responses are not only in the main untrue, but they also stand as stark evidence of just why links for such are required by such as you. I do appreciate the work you put into them, but they truly suck. They are mostly misguided and misinformation. Take your first bits (in your bold):

8 legal reasons to dislike Justice Alito's draft opinion on abortion
[...]
7. The opinion violates the principle of separation of church and state.
“There is ample evidence that the passage of [anti-abortion] laws was … spurred by a sincere belief that abortion kills a human being.” But the view that an embryo or a fetus is a human being and that abortion is murder is ultimately a religious view, and not a universal one at that. Rather, it is the deeply held belief of a vocal and powerful subset of Christians; in Reform Judaism .. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ncjw.org/news/the-jewish-case-for-abortion-rights/__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!vLmHkfINt_lSrzfpcH3SoiPjzSzga_ux-QZGr5xDLPMFSJo_BFBV8u-2LRtQYhIx5qvEOmRjpJxWhVHWFEFMusyz$ , for instance, an abortion may be religiously mandated.
8. The opinion engages in shameless hypocrisy.
“In interpreting what is meant by the Fourteenth Amendment’s reference to ‘liberty,’ we must guard against the natural human tendency to confuse what that Amendment protects with our own ardent views about the liberty that Americans should enjoy.” Yet that is exactly what Alito’s opinion does: It overrules decades-old precedent to impose conservative justices’ anti-abortion views because they finally have the votes to do so.

Note, i didn't italicize all in here i should have as being from your post i replied to .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=169727087

[fuagf]

livefree_ordie, I’m a priest. Here’s why I left the ‘pro-life’ movement — and why it’s not necessary to pray outside abortion clinics

"This is great then all folks who are not into killing babies..."

If you call an embryo in a womb a baby then a chassis without wheels without wheels in an assembly line is a car.

Many pro-lifers oppose policies like public daycare and sex education, which leads me to believe that they’re more concerned with control than life.

By Michael CorenContributing Columnist
Sun., Jan. 8, 2023

https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/contributors/2023/01/08/im-a-priest-heres-why-i-left-the-pro-life-movement-and-why-its-not-necessary-to-pray-outside-abortion-clinics/na_abortion_hearings19_01.jpg">https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/contributors/2023/01/08/im-a-priest-heres-why-i-left-the-pro-life-movement-and-why-its-not-necessary-to-pray-outside-abortion-clinics/na_abortion_hearings19_01.jpg" />

More than a decade ago I was part of what is known as the “pro-life” movement. More than a mere part but a major player. I wrote columns for their magazines and newspapers, and spoke at their conferences. Pastoral ministry — I’m now an Anglican priest — has a sobering effect, however, and teaches us about the nuances of the human condition. Anybody who swims in the waters of certainty has never spent time with people drowning in daily reality .. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2022/12/30/resolution-for-2023-transform-the-world-by-making-this-a-year-for-empathy.html .

[Insert: Many times i have spoken about the problems of people whose thinking
seems to be so often controlled and curtailed by an obsessive need for certainty.]

I’d still like abortion rates to drop, but also hold women’s choice to be fundamental and even sacred. Those rates would decline if, for example, we provided universal publicly funded daycare, enforced paternity payments, provided modern sex education in all schools, made contraceptives freely available, tried to eradicate poverty, and empowered women.

The bitter irony is that many — probably most — so-called pro-lifers oppose these policies, which leads me to believe that they’re more concerned with control than life. The situation is far worse, of course, south of the border, where anti-abortionists lead the campaign to close borders, fight wars and maintain the death penalty. Hardly champions of life.

Britain has generally dealt with the issue in a civilized and intelligent way, and recently passed a law to establish buffer zones around abortion clinics. The intimidation or harassment of anybody within 150 metres of a clinic could lead to a fine or six months imprisonment, and two years of incarceration for repeat offences. The vote was 297 to 110, and this in a heavily Conservative House of Commons.

Which led, inevitably, to opponents of women’s choice making their opposition very public. Before you could even say “Donald Trump for president,” Isabel Vaughan-Spruce, director of the anti-abortion group March for Life UK, was arrested outside a clinic in Birmingham, in the British midlands. She was praying. She was charged with four counts of violating the new law.

Vaughan-Spruce is a well-known anti-abortion activist, and she’s being defended by the Alliance Defending Freedom UK, the British branch of the U.S. conservative legal advocacy group of the same name, who are closely connected to U.S. Supreme Court .. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Supreme_Court__;!!AlmGDlt8!2QlK5txZ_V0iobTwquLPbg8dyFfqjUuBgCWpGB0uCRPx3-7lsuAf-BcFGgWmXiS_PJKUZsyhfSxHiZ_Zy8w$ .. Justice Amy Coney Barrett .. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett__;!!AlmGDlt8!2QlK5txZ_V0iobTwquLPbg8dyFfqjUuBgCWpGB0uCRPx3-7lsuAf-BcFGgWmXiS_PJKUZsyhfSxHWCJbPgg$ , former vice president Mike Pence .. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence__;!!AlmGDlt8!2QlK5txZ_V0iobTwquLPbg8dyFfqjUuBgCWpGB0uCRPx3-7lsuAf-BcFGgWmXiS_PJKUZsyhfSxHkBI6kms$ , and numerous senior right-wing figures. They’ve argued against abortion rights and the legalization of same-sex marriage, and defended business owners who refuse to provide services for same-sex weddings.

But all this aside, some basic truths need to be made clear. First, Vaughan-Spruce’s defenders argue that she was only praying. Yet if like me you genuinely believe in the power of prayer, you know that it’s about sincerity rather than proximity. I pray for people all over the world, and regard God as being capable of taking long-distance calls! It’s actually a denial of God and of prayer.

Second, women entering clinics are often vulnerable, frightened and alone, and have reported finding opponents praying to be painful and difficult. As one young woman said to me, “Let them pray by all means, let them protest if they like, but not here and now. This is my body, and my incredibly difficult experience.”

Third, let’s be honest. In such cases, arrest is often the desired outcome. It’s why there are always supporters ready to film the situation. It leads to publicity, financial support (organized fundraising is well underway), and the sense of martyrdom that’s so central to the cause.

Fourth, of course it’s meant to “intimidate” and “harass.” Why else would closeness matter, and why do anti-abortion media platforms celebrate each time a woman has her mind changed and walks away from her appointment?

Fifth, the very media championing Vaughan-Spruce routinely condemn progressive Christians when we pray and speak for migrants, refugees and the poor. We’re told to keep politics out of religion.

My prayer? That moderation and human rights will triumph over extremism and intolerance. And I don’t have to make that prayer outside the offices of an anti-abortion organization.

VIDEO - Biden meets Pope, as abortion debate flares
U.S. President Joe Biden held an unusually long meeting with Pope Francis
at the Vatican on Friday as a debate raged back home about the Catholic
president's support for abortion rights. Matthew Larotonda reports.

Reuters

Rev. Michael Coren is a Toronto-based writer and contributing columnist to the Star’s Opinion section and iPolitics. Follow him on Twitter: @michaelcoren

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2023/01/08/im-a-priest-heres-why-i-left-the-pro-life-movement-and-why-its-not-necessary-to-pray-outside-abortion-clinics.html

[sortagreen]

Thanks for entertaining us with the religious freak perspective.