Replies to post #426834 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[zab]

Especially when that POS president, whose name is trump, downplayed the pandemic, and continually ignored it while the world was learning to deal with it.

An American president is supposed to be listening to the people he surrounds himself with, Trump the fucking idiot, stated he knew more than the doctors, more than his advisors, more than his generals, he called himself a fucking genius.

As for job, creation, oh fucking yes, the American President is supposed to be leading the American economy.

As for the job creation under President Biden, it has been the greatest of any American President, American's were finally free to change jobs each month by the millions, and still are, commanding better opportunities for themselves and their families. Not only does President Biden get credit for it, but he also spearheaded the increase in pay and benefits. Enabling the American worker to get much higher wages.

President Biden also did not give away trillions to the richest in America, he started to finally rebuild the roads and bridges, and infrastructure in America. The previous president also failed in that area.

Trump had four years to get something done, and all he did was crater when a pandemic came along. A pandemic that every president before him had been planning for, but trump decided to dismantle all of the safeguards that were put in place.

So, it has been stated so well by many in this forum, fuck trump, and fuck all of the republicans who support him, and fuck the rest of them for being the pussies they are.

[blackhawks]

But Trump's Covid response was NOT impressive. His open contempt for social distancing and masks led to the shutdowns, so the economic downturn and employment losses were made worse by his bullshit about 'not wanting to panic us'.

He fucked up, he lost.

[Zorax]

Depending on who your source is, and we know what yours are and they are lying.
hewhoshitsinpants was down in job growth since he was elected and inherited a up line of growth from Obama, which shittypants pissed away. And then shittypants tried to take credit for growth following the start of the pandemic. He had no policies or plans in place to help anyone but himself, cronies and his family. You can read lies like this article:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/01/unpacking-joe-bidens-lies-about-the-trump-job-creation-miracle/

Or go outside your comfort and tin hat zone and read other sources. Fixed.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-economy-pandemic/

Looking at the data, yes, about 11.4 millions jobs were added to the U.S. economy between May and September — and the Trump administration’s comments about the economy showing significant job growth since the early weeks of the pandemic were true at face value.

However, that upward trend had little to do with the White House and everything to do with how businesses on a grand scale adapted to new rules on social distancing to curb the spread of the deadly virus. In March, for instance, California issued the first statewide “stay at home order” and New York City closed all non-essential businesses — both decisions that contributed to April’s historic job loss.

Then, over the weeks, employers developed plans for operating under public health officials’ recommendations to curb the spread of COVID-19 and, as a result, were able to bring back workers who had been furloughed or reopen after a temporary shut down. Those trends significantly impacted job growth in the U.S. — not Trump.

Additionally, a Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loan — which was developed by Congress, not the White House, via the March Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act — helped some small businesses bring back lost positions or keep workers who would otherwise have been laid off. That stimulus package’s direct payments to Americans who earned 75,000 annually or less (or families that made up to $150,000 annually) may have also driven spending in the summer months and, consequently, kept some employers afloat after initial shock to their profits earlier in the year.

[color=red]All of that said, no evidence showed that the Trump administration enacted policies — whether related to taxes or trade — that “added back” the jobs but rather economic trends shifted from the early days of the outbreak, during mass furloughs and business closures.[/color]

Here’s the bottom line: Presidential administrations often exaggerate their influence on the economy — especially when employment is showing somewhat positive signs — no matter if they’re leading the country during a crisis like the COVID-19 outbreak or comparatively normal times. As Neil Irwin wrote for The New York Times in January 2017, just days before Trump’s inauguration:

The reality is that presidents have far less control over the economy than you might imagine. Presidential economic records are highly dependent on the dumb luck of where the nation is in the economic cycle. And the White House has no control over the demographic and technological forces that influence the economy.

Additionally, the White House had little influence on how businesses quickly adapted recommendations by public health officials to safely operate during the pandemic.

For those reasons, we rate this claim a “Mixture” of truth and falsehoods. It was true that the country added back about half of the jobs lost during the early months of the pandemic, though it was a false misinterpretation of economic conditions to tie that job growth to Trump policies — or that he “cut taxes, rolled back regulation and unleashed American energy, fought for free and fair trade,” like Pence alleged, and that those moves directly added jobs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-29/trump-s-jobs-record-fell-short-of-promises-even-before-the-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.axios.com/2021/02/05/january-jobs-report

[sortagreen]

NO President should be judged on job creation when a worldwide pandemic grips the world and economic lockdowns are being put into place.

Right... But the guy who has to clean up the mess after the worldwide pandemic, along with the attendant supply chain disruptions, decimation of industries, continuing shutdowns, drought, a major land war in the agricultural heart Europe... and worldwide inflation? That guy's responsible for every fucking thing. Fuck you.



Judged UP TO the beginning of the pandemic makes sense and is a more accurate portrayal of job creation.

And THAT job count is impressive.

"Trump continually says that, “the U.S. is experiencing the best economy ever.” This is obvious gaslighting since the new results show that President Trump’s best year of job growth was 2.314 million in 2018 (the first year of the tax cut) but it falls short of any of Obama’s last three years. His boasts also don’t stand up when you peel the onion on GDP growth and realize that the Federal deficits during his Presidency will exceed any that were not impacted by a recession."


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/07/obamas-last-three-years-of-job-growth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/?sh=1659009f6ba6

Face it MFC, Trump sucked. And he exploded the fucking deficit to get what he did.

He's a lying bitch... Seems to be a pattern.

[fuagf]

conix, Yeah, but then you have a president that lowered the drawbridge to the virus and after it entered told
everyone not to worry about it much. That president does hold much responsibility for jobs lost. Yep...



yours is a nasty crowd.