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09/30/22 3:28 PM

#425448 RE: brooklyn13 #425427

brooklyn12, Ah. Methinks your preconceptions might cloud your judgement.
Guess we are all guiltyof it at times. But your comment about race. See my

"Certainly Palestine's, with their history of conflict and subjugation, #8 should not surprise anyone. Though to see
Jews as a separate race is misguided. Heh, not that a legal opinion is any real authority on that, but anyway:
P - Judge rules that Judaism is not a race but Jewish people can be targeted for racism. Here's why that matters.
A timely new court ruling is a reminder that human racial difference are based in prejudice, not fact.
Aug. 2, 2018, 6:46 PM AEST By Noah Berlatsky, cultural critic
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/judge-rules-judaism-not-race-jewish-people-can-be-targeted-ncna896806
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170078669

again. Did you realize in your

"Sorry, but Jews are a race. If you do 23 and Me, for example, and you're Jewish the DNA results will come back, as mine did, stating something like I'm 98% Ashkenazi.
P - How do you account for this otherwise? Would your results come back stating you're 98% Catholic or Buddhist or Hindu?
P - Not interested in what one random judge ruled, judges make uninformed pronouncements regularly.
"

you actually agreed with my "not that a legal opinion is any real authority on that" as regards the idea of race? Just wondered, we haven't been agreeing on this stuff much lately. ;-) More importantly did you realize, maybe better, did you read inside that link at all. If you had you would have read what that judge based his opinion upon. Excerpt:

Racism is not a prejudice against humans of different races, because there are no different human races .. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/ . Rather, racism is the process whereby certain characteristics — like religion — are taken as signs of essential biological difference. Sociologists Karen E. Fields and Barbara J. Fields call this creation of difference "racecraft .. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007LCYZCE/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 ." Racecraft is all the cultural work done to divide people into arbitrary categories called "races." Once you've established that this human, over here, is not in fact fully human, discrimination and prejudice follows naturally.
So it wasn't an uninformed opinion. It was best scientific evidence based. Repeat the link i gave you ..
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/judge-rules-judaism-not-race-jewish-people-can-be-targeted-ncna896806 .

Guessing you didn't read inside the link. Doesn't matter, eh. Importantly do you understand what context your "Sorry, but Jews are a race." sits in. Have you read any of all the material which suggests your comment is true only in a very specific sense? In a very narrow non-scientific sense. You are right only in the sense that humans have the idea that a Jew could be seen as a race. In the same way that God can be seen to exist based on the Bible. God exists in the human mind as a human invention. According to the best scientific evidence, same goes for race.

You say you are a member of a Jewish race with so much conviction. Supported by your "If you do 23 and Me, for example, and you're Jewish the DNA results will come back, as mine did, stating something like I'm 98% Ashkenazi." Ok, I get that now .. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=23+and+Me . I haven't been there,

I hope i'm right in feeling you may not have read any of all the stuff science has to say about race. How it exists only as a human idea. I got into it again yesterday. Lol thanks, you've reminded me how exactly i got there. It was as a result of our chat and the link to you that i ended up revisiting the scientific position on the question of race. Hoping i'm right in thinking you haven't read much of, if any, it. If you have read it you must reject it. Here is my revisiting race post of yesterday. It does mention ancestry:

How Science and Genetics are Reshaping the Race Debate of the 21st Century
[...]
[.. start today insert:, gotta love this Aussie Bill Nye the Science Guy .. 2015 Bill Nye: Race is a Human Construct .. Think Tank
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=114767660 .. Bill Nye .. end Sept. 30, 2022 insert]



[...]
New findings in genetics tear down old ideas about race
P - Estimating our ancestral composition down to 0.1% seem to suggest that there are exact, categorical divisions between human populations. But reality is far less simple. Compared to the general public’s enthusiasm for ancestry testing, the reaction from scientists has been considerably more lukewarm. Research indicates that the concept of “five races” does, to an extent, describe the way human populations are distributed among the continents—but the lines between races are much more blurred than ancestry testing companies would have us believe (Figure 1B).
P - A landmark 2002 study by Stanford scientists examined the question of human diversity by looking at the distribution across seven major geographical regions of 4,000 alleles. Alleles are the different “flavors” of a gene. For instance, all humans have the same genes that code for hair: the different alleles are why hair comes in all types of colors and textures.
P - In the Stanford study, over 92% of alleles were found in two or more regions, and almost half of the alleles studied were present in all seven major geographical regions. The observation that the vast majority of the alleles were shared over multiple regions, or even throughout the entire world, points to the fundamental similarity of all people around the world—an idea that has been supported by many other studies (Figure 1B).
P - If separate racial or ethnic groups actually existed, we would expect to find “trademark” alleles and other genetic features that are characteristic of a single group but not present in any others. However, the 2002 Stanford study found that only 7.4% of over 4000 alleles were specific to one geographical region. Furthermore, even when region-specific alleles did appear, they only occurred in about 1% of the people from that region—hardly enough to be any kind of trademark. Thus, there is no evidence that the groups we commonly call “races” have distinct, unifying genetic identities. In fact, there is ample variation within races (Figure 1B).
Much more - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170079473

See also:

Why racism is not backed by science
As we harvest ever more human genomes one fact remains unshakeable: race does not exist
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/01/racism-science-human-genomes-darwin
P - The key reason why racism remains alive and well in America
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-racism-still-flourishes/2015/06/26/d0e1f2e4-1b6e-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html
P - While two nonentities, race and God, cause so much conflict basic human common sense will forever
say we really do have big problems which we could have grown out of, or better solved, before now.
2015 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=116288283

Intellectual humility: the importance of knowing you might be wrong
2019 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=145917259