Replies to post #424671 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[sortagreen]

Who are you trying to convince?

"It's not just a coincidence this close to midterms and another presidential run"

You MAGAts are fond of saying that Trump's not on the ballot. You know what? He's not.

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Where was she 20 months ago?

Fighting every lawyer the orange cocksucker could throw at her, to get information, evidence and testimony... or did you expect that we forgot all that?

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"Also, he has been audited every year "

Here's where you really do need a link, MAGAt. I've heard Tangerine Mussolini claim his taxes were being audited. I've never seen a shred of evidence that it was true. Remember in 2016 when he was going to release his taxes after the audit was done? So... is that 2016 return still under audit? How about the 4 or 5 before that? I don't recall having seen any tax return. Have you seen them? Has anyone? Have you seen any letter from the IRS telling him he was being audited?

(Here's where the extra funding for the IRS will probably pay off.)
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"When I bought and sold my last house both sides had an appraiser...

And the "link" is common knowledge to anyone who has bought or sold a house before."

Oh, that's adorable. We're talking about commercial paper. Commercial paper is different. You know that, right? Oh wait... apparently not.

When preparing a statement of financial condition, did you ever state that a golf course that one of your many shell companies owns in California, had a prospective 300 building lots, when you knew there there were 210? (this is a hypothetical)

Did you claim that you owned a 30,000 square foot apartment, when the apartment was 11,000 square feet, or that the footage was worth far more than any apartment in NYC had ever sold for... even apartments on higher floors, in far newer buildings with far nicer amenities?

Did you ever claim that apartments one of your many shell companies owns were worth x, when they were actually rent controlled and worth nowhere near that much?

When you misstate material facts on your loan application it's called fraud. You know that, right? Do you know what it's called when the lender doesn't pick up on it? Fraud, MAGAt. It's called fraud.

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There's more.

Did you ever take a write off for a conservation easement on a property you had no right to develop in the first place?

Did you ever send letters to prospective buyers in your co-op telling people they were 75% sold, when the real number was 20%

Did you ever start a children's charity and pocket the money?

Oh right, you've sold a house though. So you know stuff.

There's a lot of laundry about to get aired here. So buckle up, MAGAt.

[newmedman]

First of all, The Trump camp already tried to settle the suit but NY didn't accept it...

New York attorney general rejects Trump's settlement offer, perhaps clearing the way for a long-expected lawsuit, report says https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-settlement-offer-rejected-ny-ag-lawsuit-letita-james-2022-9

... so therefore they do claim culpability and them all taking the fifth in their depositions doesn't help much either. It only makes them look more guilty.

Secondly, Trump was so far in the hole that there were only a limited amount of places that he could get money from, you see taking multiple millions of dollars and then filling for bankruptcy multiple times doesn't sit well with most large institutions.

Trump May Have A Lot Of Money, But Documents Show He Owes A Lot, Too
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/20/533552769/trump-may-have-a-lot-of-money-but-documents-show-he-owes-a-lot-too

Lastly, the banks he wound up with, particularly Deutsce, admitted that they did little to no due diligence on his true financial position. They just gave him what he wanted and even after he defaulted on one branch, he just went to another.

Trump and Deutsche Bank: It’s Complicated
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/trumpinc/episodes/trump-inc-trump-deutsche-bank-its-complicated

He's not an everyday shmuck like you and me. He's a real criminal. When I used to own my business and do house flipping/rentals I had a 750K LOC approved at a fixed rate because I could then buy properties for cash and did not have to deal with fluctuating interest rates and multiple mortgage lenders. It took me over 6 months, multiple appraisals and financial digging to get the credit secured. They poured over my and my wife's complete history and the properties that I rented before they would approve it.

Trumpty Dumpty just walked into the office and got what he asked for and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some serious kickbacks involved either as the criminal investigations are still ongoing. He's now ready for his fall from the wall and all off his horses and all of his men will not be able to put him back together again.

I had to close out the LOC as part of my divorce settlement and going to get a new one was the same process, just a lot smaller line because now I only own three properties and soon to be two because I'm about to close on my Florida place and completely downsize my life to a more stress free way of living and I didn't once ever file for bankruptcy or default on a single penny. Now it will just sit there like a rainy day fund, like if a meteor hits my or my mom's house or something.

Trump is fucked. If NY state prevails he will never be able to borrow a dime again. Though it could take years of litigation if they don't reach an agreeable settlement. The espionage trial will probably go quicker than that and it's hard to borrow money from a federal penitentiary

Have a nice day!.

[blackhawks]

It's not just a coincidence this close to midterms and another presidential run that now James and the Dems are going after him. Where was she 20 months ago.

Oh, about half way into the investigation.

The authorities in New York have been investigating Mr. Trump and his family business since 2018, when the Manhattan district attorney’s office opened an investigation.

Your arguments fail on at least two levels, the dumb question above and the fact that were the case being brought against a former Dem president you would have quarreled with what has been charged not at all. Nada, not a single f'ing objection that you have raised would be raised.

Just imagine the amount of shit being lost if this was about the Clintons.

You're a hyper-partisan, fact-challenged, ass-clown.


N.Y. Attorney General Accuses Trump of ‘Staggering’ Fraud in Lawsuit

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/21/nyregion/trump-fraud-lawsuit-ny.html

Attorney General Letitia James of New York filed a sweeping lawsuit on Wednesday that accused Donald J. Trump, his family business and three of his children of lying to lenders and insurers by fraudulently overvaluing his assets by billions of dollars.

Ms. James is seeking to bar the Trumps, including Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka, from ever running a business in the state again.

She concluded that Mr. Trump and his business violated state criminal laws and “plausibly” broke federal laws as well. Her office, which lacks authority to file criminal charges in this case, referred the findings to federal prosecutors in Manhattan. They declined to comment on whether they would investigate.

The 220-page lawsuit, filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, lays out in new and startling detail how Mr. Trump’s annual financial statements were a compendium of lies, according to Ms. James. The statements — yearly records that include the company’s estimated value of its holdings and debts — wildly inflated the worth of nearly every one of its marquee properties, according to the lawsuit. They include Mar-a-Lago in Florida, Trump Tower and 40 Wall Street in Manhattan.

The company also routinely spurned the assessments of outside experts. After a bank ordered an appraisal that found 40 Wall Street was worth $200 million, the Trumps promptly valued it at well over twice that amount. Overall, the lawsuit said that 11 of Mr. Trump’s annual financial statements included more than 200 false and misleading asset valuations.

“The number of grossly inflated asset values is staggering, affecting most if not all of the real estate holdings in any given year,” according to the lawsuit. Ms. James, a Democrat who is running for re-election, filed the lawsuit just weeks after the former president refused to answer hundreds of questions under oath in an interview with her office.

The lawsuit compounds Mr. Trump’s extensive legal woes. He is facing a number of criminal investigations involving his conduct in the final weeks of his presidency. Last month, the F.B.I. searched Mar-a-Lago in an investigation into his removal of sensitive material from the White House; federal prosecutors are investigating his efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss; and a Georgia district attorney is conducting a criminal investigation into his potential election interference in the state.

The authorities in New York have been investigating Mr. Trump and his family business since 2018, when the Manhattan district attorney’s office opened an investigation. The following year, Ms. James’s civil inquiry began, and both offices began to zero in on the way that Mr. Trump’s company valued its assets.

As part of its investigation, the Manhattan district attorney pressured the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, to turn on his longtime employer. When Mr. Weisselberg declined to cooperate, the office charged him with a yearslong scheme to avoid paying taxes on lucrative off-the-books perks.

The company was indicted as well and is scheduled to go to trial in October. Mr. Weisselberg, who is also a defendant in Ms. James’s suit, pleaded guilty to 15 felonies and agreed to testify at the trial, putting the company at a significant disadvantage. His lawyer, Mary E. Mulligan, declined to comment.

The Manhattan criminal investigation has not resulted in charges.. Early this year, the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, instructed prosecutors to halt their effort to seek to indict Mr. Trump after he and some of his aides developed concerns about proving a criminal case. Such cases require a higher burden of proof than a civil case like the one Ms. James has filed.

While Ms. James does not have the authority to indict Mr. Trump, a footnote in the lawsuit said she provided her findings to the United States attorney’s office in Manhattan. It notes that the conduct detailed in the complaint appears to amount to bank fraud and false statements to a bank.

The lawsuit also argued that the financial statements violated “a host of state laws.” Asked about the possibility of state charges, Mr. Bragg said in a statement that the investigation into Mr. Trump and his company is “active and ongoing.”

Ms. James’s lawsuit represents the culmination of a contentious yearslong civil investigation that Mr. Trump and his lawyers sought to thwart and delay at nearly every turn.

In April, a New York State judge held Mr. Trump in contempt of court for failing to fully comply with a subpoena from Ms. James seeking some of his personal records. The judge, Arthur F. Engoron, eventually lifted the contempt order, but only after Mr. Trump paid a $110,000 penalty.

Justice Engoron also ordered Mr. Trump, as well as Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., to face questioning under oath from Ms. James’s investigators. (Eric Trump was previously questioned for the investigation, during which he repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.)

Early this year, Ms. James disclosed in court papers that Mr. Trump’s longtime accounting firm cut ties with the former president and essentially retracted a decade’s worth of his financial statements. The firm, Mazars USA, compiled the financial statements based on information from Mr. Trump and his company, which “intended to mislead Mazars” by “concealing important information,” the lawsuit contends.

Mr. Trump’s lead accountant testified under oath in a deposition that he was “shocked by the size of the discrepancy” between the value for the rent-stabilized units at Trump Park listed in a 2010 outside appraisal and the value the Trump Organization assigned to the units.

In fighting the case, Mr. Trump’s lawyers are expected to highlight the disclaimer in his financial statements saying that Mazars had not audited the valuations. They also might argue that the Trump Organization submitted the statements to large financial institutions that conducted their own due diligence.

The Trump Organization, in its statement, criticized Ms. James for prioritizing “the interests of large sophisticated Wall Street Banks” over those of the public.

Addressing the defense that the Trump Organization’s practices were commonplace in the real estate world, Ms. James, at a news conference on Wednesday, argued that “this conduct cannot be brushed aside and dismissed as some sort of good-faith mistake.” The financial statements, she said, were “grossly inflated, objectively false and therefore fraudulent.”

Mr. Trump, his company and his family, she added, “should all be held accountable.”

Jonah E. Bromwich covers criminal justice in New York, with a focus on the Manhattan district attorney's office, state criminal courts in Manhattan and New York City's jails. @jonesieman

William K. Rashbaum is a senior writer on the Metro desk, where he covers political and municipal corruption, courts, terrorism and law enforcement. He was a part of the team awarded the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News. @WRashbaum • Facebook

Ben Protess is an investigative reporter covering the federal government, law enforcement and various criminal investigations into former President Trump and his allies. @benprotess

[fuagf]

Redoocs, Your equating your relationship with a bank and Trump's relationship with his banks is cute. Cute but totally diverse from reality. They are different universes. Picture a fisherman looking at an undersized fish barely caught in the net. And at another which in any fish market would make him a hero. Think of you saying your rooms in a house were a bit bigger than they were, and Trump saying his apartment was three times the size of what it was. Think of him saying some land by a golf course had the go ahead for 2500 houses while actually it was only 1000. As examples. And think of a bank being owed millions by a client who wants even more. If he defaults it costs the bank millions. And the bank doesn't want to lose him. Big fish are worth big money to banks.

If you were open to learning anything about what you obviously know little about, you have come to the right board. The replies you get from others here are all the evidence you need for the truth in that. If you were open to learning. Sadly to date it appears you are not.

And as sortagreen mentioned what is it in you that refused there to include even one supportive link.