conix, The 'two-spirit' people of indigenous North Americans
"Sex redefined "Identity politics isn’t hurting liberalism. It’s saving it. "Why identity politics benefits the right more than the left""
------ This post was prompted by conix's luxuriating in Maher's milking of wokeness and presentism, in his comment re the Portland school district's curriculum in a video, here .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=169979805 . Maher used a quote which said something like 'white people forced a binary sex position on indigenous people' when they came to North America. While the actual language used would be arguable i'd say basically the message is very likely the right one. That was off the top and now i know it was close to the mark. . And i'd add what is wrong with bringing the past to the present in an effort to boost understandings of where we are now in our understanding of --- umm -- LIFE. One on it here, i haven't read yet
Native Americans have often held intersex, androgynous people, feminine males and masculine females in high respect. The most common term to define such persons today is to refer to them as "two-spirit" people, but in the past feminine males were sometimes referred to as "berdache" by early French explorers in North America, who adapted a Persian word "bardaj", meaning an intimate male friend. Because these androgynous males were commonly married to a masculine man, or had sex with men, and the masculine females had feminine women as wives, the term berdache had a clear homosexual connotation. Both the Spanish settlers in Latin America and the English colonists in North America condemned them as "sodomites".
Rather than emphasising the homosexuality of these persons, however, many Native Americans focused on their spiritual gifts. American Indian traditionalists, even today, tend to see a person's basic character as a reflection of their spirit. Since everything that exists is thought to come from the spirit world, androgynous or transgender persons are seen as doubly blessed, having both the spirit of a man and the spirit of a woman. Thus, they are honoured for having two spirits, and are seen as more spiritually gifted than the typical masculine male or feminine female.
Therefore, many Native American religions, rather than stigmatising such persons, often looked to them as religious leaders and teachers. Quite similar religious traditions existed among the native peoples of Siberia and many parts of Central and southeast Asia. Since the ancestors of Native Americans migrated from Siberia over 20,000 years ago, and since reports of highly respected androgynous persons have been noted among indigenous Americans from Alaska to Chile, androgyny seems to be quite ancient among humans.
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Ok. that is a darn good read, not only because if supports what i thoughtt likely, but because it is drenched in generosity, decent good values and good basic, ordinary untainted common sense. How fucking sweet it is to move through it. Soooo, after reading that article only briefly i come back to my earlier off-the-cuff comment :
"Putting aside quibbles of the exact wording of the tiny bit of the Portland curriculum Maher gave you - context has seldom seemed important to you - have you considered at all the basic message of that tiny bit could be closer to the truth than you have imagined. P - How homophobic were the indigenous people of N America. Were they as into binary sexual identity as acidly as you are today." https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=169980703
to conix and Maher. And add: LOL What the hell are you two bitching about. And laughing at. Portland educators look to be pretty well on the mark to me. Seriously.
I didn't write it so 'yes you are' is misaddressed.
You were, misled. Which is very easy to do.
Discussion of gender as it relates to colonization of our country comes in a 4th and 5th grade section. Thus when Maher combined the title of the story, which mentions kindergarten, with the content of material intended for 4th and 5th graders, that's misleading the viewer.
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