Replies to post #408810 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

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I think a grandmother in Appalachia has too much time, and far too little knowledge about world affairs, but does have an internet connection and a computer/phone/laptop.

This is a much better and succinct description of what you're attributing to a form of stupidity.

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Ok...a little point by point then Zor...

The one we all are writing about here is happening in Ukraine, invaded illegally and immorally by a short evil dictator of russia.

Yep we agree there whole heartedly

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If his pleas had gone unheard, and no nato and Us aiding Ukraine, Zelenskyy would have been dead and Ukraine would be russian.

Were NATO and American troops on the ground?! No, it was the Ukrainians fighting their ass off........Zelensky is the one who rallied his people... May be a bit early for them to be paying homage to NATO and us quite yet...How many cites are in rubble now......He has stated he is eternally grateful for 'everything' so far...But although the US knew and told the public the invasion was imminent, most everyone, including our gov, had written them off before it started..(myself included)...Respects to those who shocked the world,,,not NATO and us yet...

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The only thing he isn't getting so far is NFZ. Which has been made clear why.

You and a few others are the one that keep steering it back to the NFZ....Although its still mentioned, he is past that, but hopeful I'm sure...

What they ask for and is Aircraft for air cover and gain air superiority (since NATO/US won't) to protect ground troops and bomb Soviet sites...S300, S400s and better with long range missles to protect cities, military sites shooting down Russian planes,,,,,Tanks, long range and mobil artillery, Ammo! They're using it up everyday and need tons more including the stingers and javilins ....Armored vehicles, anti ship missles, Masses of them all, 1% of NATO's weaponry....

Thats what they need to Win, and, not be overrun in this next phase...

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I seriously doubt US and nato are going to back off support now because it's not completely just about Ukraine.

How much support is the million dollar question......I also see the world starting to understand the effects of a long draw out war or complete defeat of Ukraine on in global terms

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Personally, I think there's stuff happening behind the scenes in russia and will play out very soon

A meeting in Brussels coming up,,Pressure is mounting on leaders...

Odesa hasn't been shelled by ships and no amphibious landing there yet,,,,Makes ya think US and NATO ships are shadowing the Russian navy pretty good...We have to be poised if nothing else, I'd think...But perhaps we are indeed holding them at bay...

Im sure we are giving them intelligence....

Anything we can do, Open warfare is next, things won't be confined to roads..... Tanks (100s of them) can spread out and move fast now, javelins on foot won't stop them.....

The Ukrainians have taken their losses too you gotta remember,,,No replacements coming for their soldiers either, they'll have to fight on.....And after they have fought so hard it would be a shame and crime to see them beaten because we/NATO wouldn't give them every last thing they ask for....Worse still is only to give them enough for a stalemate and make them fight for years......Its going to look bad to the world if we let these guys get beat up too bad...

The Pressure mounts on the west to do more,,Ukrainians ask daily for what they need....And now is its becoming clear to the world the horrors of war...

Leaders will come to a decision point again soon (Brussels?),,They don't want to wait before its too late to do more. And see how long they want this to go on...

See what happens, so far Biden has only said prepare for the long haul...