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Zorax

10/18/21 8:26 PM

#388478 RE: Koog #388472

So, do you support the oil, coal and nat gas giants to be left alone til 2035 while in the meantime the oil, coal and nat gas giants buy up all available alternate energy source companies and own them too?

Like the tabacco companies trying to own everything weed and cbd and vape as well as the produce streams?

One of the problems of the circular energy dream of recycling and reusing in manufacturing is the tendency of big business seeing a new way of doing something as a new revenue stream and not stopping what recycling was supposed to replace, using more and more virgin stuff. Like big clothing which is using more retreads and materials every day, yet haven't curtailed any continued use of natural materials. They considered the 'new reused' as a new income stream, not the replacement the clothes market likes to boast about.

Everyone has to start now, even in small ways. But the businesses have to accept it's to replace what they're doing now, not a parallel income opportunity.
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fuagf

10/18/21 8:53 PM

#388481 RE: Koog #388472

Most scientists and some politicians are pushing clean energy for good reason. If you believe the global warming data that is.

To take one of your mentions electric cars, production and utilization of them is moving along fairly steadilyl.



https://www.drive.com.au/news/global-sales-of-electric-cars-almost-doubled-in-2020/

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Also Australia has a billionaire mining magnate pushing hydrogen as an energy source.

Andrew Forrest on how green steel and hydrogen offer a chance to fix our climate and our economy
ABC Radio National/By Andrew Forrest
Posted Fri 22 Jan 2021 at 3:00am, updated Mon 25 Jan 2021 at 10:35am
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-22/boyer-lecture-andrew-twiggy-forrest-green-hydrogen-climate/13077070

Some of the people who push are pushing for all the the right reasons.
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newmedman

10/18/21 8:54 PM

#388482 RE: Koog #388472

Forgive me for butting in, but I beg to disagree. You say batteries are needed to store the power? Maybe, but I just think you see the small picture in terms of personal use. If one person for every hundred thousand has solar or wind generated property, then sure, they would need to store the energy for a "Rainy Day".

Those folks aren't generally on the grid. Now you say that you are tied to the grid. Do you successfully sell your excess to the power company or are you in that on and off again with your mistrust for authority?

Now, just imagine for a second, say a million people hooked to the grid with wind and solar. Just because it's cloudy here doesn't mean it isn't sunbeams all out 50 miles from here with people overproducing electricity at a capacity enough to feed the cloudy people.

It get's a little more hairy when you consider dense populations but I hope you get my drift.

What really needs to be upgraded is the power grid itself. Could you imagine all the flagrant sunshine being transmitted from California this year to places where it was shitty and the power went down?

Forget the pipelines, let's transmit electricity underground across the country.

And wind blows, wether you feel it on the ground or not. The higher you go the more windy it gets and that's just mother nature moving the jet stream. That's why the turbines they build these days are so large. A person in their backyard could not achieve anything like that but would be able to suck off the people that could.

If we were all on the same grid and shared the same electricity without having to cook another piece of coal it could work. Of course we would still need plants with capability to go to that option if necessary but between nuclear, nat gas, hydro an thermo there should be an amount of redundancy.

It's not a dream that isn't here yet, it's here and now and we've been trying to tell you all for years but most people right away scream socialism and complain that they need more batteries so they can suck more power than their neighbor.

I know it's never going to change, but saying that it's not doable because the wind doesn't blow on the surface or it is cloudy today is a very weak excuse for someone who isn't a doomsday prepper.

Sod Bless Capitalism!!!!