You, as i, had that feeling early. This term is totally new to me
Ietsism (Dutch: ietsisme (pronounced [its'?sm?]) – "somethingism") is an unspecified belief in an undetermined transcendent reality. It is a Dutch term for a range of beliefs held by people who, on the one hand, inwardly suspect – or indeed believe – that "there must be something undefined beyond the mundane and that which can be known or can be proven", but on the other hand do not accept or subscribe to the established belief system, dogma or view of the nature of a deity offered by any particular religion. Some related terms in English are agnostic theism (though many ietsists[it's an i] do not believe in anything that could be called "god", and therefore are agnostic atheists), eclecticism, deism and spiritual but not religious.
Ietsists might call themselves Christian or followers of another religion based on cultural identification with that religion, without believing in the dogmas of that particular religion.
I agree an atheist cannot believe in any God. It all comes down to definition
10 facts about atheists
By Michael Lipka December 6, 2019
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5. The vast majority of U.S. atheists say religion is not too or not at all important in their lives (93%) and that they seldom or never pray (97%). At the same time, many do not see a contradiction between atheism and pondering their place in the world. About a third of American atheists say they think about the meaning and purpose of life at least weekly (35%), and that they often feel a deep sense of spiritual peace and well-being (31%). In fact, the Religious Landscape Study shows that atheists are more likely than U.S. Christians to say they often feel a sense of wonder about the universe (54% vs. 45%). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/06/10-facts-about-atheists/
They seem to be suggesting a sense of wonder about wtf it's all about is believing in a higher power. Why can't it just be seen for what it is.
Higher is even problematical as it brings to mind heaven. Why can't heaven be down. Guess it's because early, up has been connected to good. Feel up. Get up. Shut up. lol That last wouldn't be good for all involved. Down has become associated with negative. Why?
We need parameters, but is it better to think of up as good, versus down as bad? Or would it be more settling to see hell as up?
Always turning to others for advice, or doing so too easily, can be problematical in itself.
Newcomers to recovery can often be taken aback by all the talk about a “higher power”, especially for those who have been turned off to organized religion. Perhaps you come from an ultra-conservative household or have trouble believing that a supreme being could allow all the suffering in the world. Perhaps you’re an atheist, and simply don’t believe in god. Perhaps you’re agnostic wondering what god really is.
Or maybe you are like many of us are: not sure what to believe.
In 12-step meetings, the emphasis is on “a god of your understanding”—however, many people feel the hairs on their neck stand up at the word god. I’ve had friends who were almost turned off completely to 12-step programs, because they felt the pressure to understand god; in many cases, their experience of god and religion was strenuous, at best. https://www.thefreedomcenter.com/higher-power-for-atheists-and-agnostics-6-alternatives-to-god/
Is music a higher power? A sense of wonder, a higher power? Why can't they just be music and a sense of wonder.
Blah blah blah blah :-) We can analyze, break down, too much sometimes.
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