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stock_observer_77, Paul Krugman: Democrats have best record on economy

Paul Krugman here cites your Blinder/Watson study. I'm no expert, but have read enough, in spite of your unwarranted, silly hypotheses about us, to get the idea of which experts have been over years more right than wrong. And Krugman admits when he gets it wrong. I haven't read yet of an economist on the other side doing the same. Not saying none have. just haven't read of them. First

"These three “luck” factors together (oil, productivity, and ICE) explain 46-62% of the 1.80 percentage point D-R growth gap. The rest remains, for now, a mystery of the still mostly-unexplored continent. The word “research,” taken literally, means searchagain. We invite other researchers to do so."

Your link - https://www.princeton.edu/~mwatson/papers/Presidents_Blinder_Watson_Nov2013.pdf

is the last bit of the body of the report. Page 35. So much they couldn't pin down. They say fiscal and monetary policy seems to be roughly equal. Krugman, for one, and many others, say "trickle-down" economics has been a failure. And that's been Republican policy for some 40 years.

Anyway this one doesn't seem to be on the board before:

Paul Krugman: Democrats have best record on economy

Why are Republicans much more inclined to boast about their ability to deliver growth?

Tue, Nov 3, 2015, 06:00

Paul Krugman


US Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is completely right about the
record: historically, the economy has indeed done better under Democrats.
Photograph: Katherine Taylor/Reuters

US Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is completely right about the record: historically, the economy has indeed done better under Democrats. Photograph: Katherine Taylor/Reuters

Last week the Wall Street Journal published an op-ed article by Carly Fiorina titled “Hillary Clinton Flunks Economics”, ridiculing Clinton’s assertions that the US economy does better under Democrats. “America,” declared Fiorina, “needs someone in the White House who actually knows how the economy works.”

Well, we can agree on that much.

Republicans talk about economic growth all the time. They attack Democrats for “job-killing” government regulations, they promise great things if elected, they predicate their tax plans on the assumption growth will soar and raise revenues. Democrats are far more cautious. Yet Clinton is completely right about the record: historically, the economy has done better under Democrats.

This contrast raises two big questions. First, why has the economy performed better under Democrats? Second, given that record, why are Republicans so much more inclined than Democrats to boast about their ability to deliver growth?

Before I get to those questions, let’s talk about the facts.

The arithmetic on partisan differences is stunning. Last year economists Alan Blinder .. https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Alan+Blinder .. and Mark Watson .. https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Mark+Watson .. circulated a paper comparing economic performance under Democratic and Republican presidents since 1947. Under Democrats, the economy grew, on average, 4.35 per cent per year; under Republicans, only 2.54 per cent. Over the whole period, the economy was in recession for 49 quarters; Democrats held the White House during only eight of those quarters.

Obama years
George W Bush

Why is the Democratic record so much better? The short answer is that we don’t know.

There’s no indication the Democratic advantage can be explained by better monetary and fiscal policies. Democrats seem, on average, to have had better luck than Republicans on oil prices and technological progress.

Overall, however, the pattern remains mysterious. Certainly no Democratic candidate would be justified in promising dramatically higher growth if elected. And in fact, Democrats never do.

Republicans, however, always make such claims. Why?

Conservative bubble
Ronald ReaganBill Clinton

Right-wing news media trumpet the economic disappointments of the Obama years, while hardly ever mentioning the good news. So the myth of conservative economic superiority goes unchallenged.

Beyond that, Republicans need to promise economic miracles as a way to sell policies that overwhelmingly favour the donor class.

It would be nice if even one major GOP candidate came out against big tax cuts for the 1 per cent. But none has, and all the major players have urged cuts that would take trillions from revenue. To make up for this lost revenue, it would be necessary to make sharp cuts in big programmes – ie social security and/or Medicare.

But Americans overwhelmingly believe the wealthy pay less than their fair share of taxes, and even Republicans are closely divided on the issue. And the public wants to see social security expanded, not cut.

So how can a politician sell the tax-cut agenda? The answer is, by promising those miracles, by insisting tax cuts on high incomes would both pay for themselves and produce wonderful economic gains.

Asymmetry

And if someone does point to that record, you know what they’ll do – start yelling about media bias. – (New York Times service)

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/paul-krugman-democrats-have-best-record-on-economy-1.2414477

Maybe it's on the board under a different heading, just felt like giving the Irish Times a shot.

You get some credit for posting that study which didn't exactly demolish the position reflected in all the material i gave you.