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03/19/21 6:57 PM

#367902 RE: Da Kine 17 #367889

Da Kine 17, Wow. Again i misjudged you when i felt perhaps you were listening, considering, and learning. You are
now twisting and distorting as those we have suffered before. And you are totally misrepresenting Trump's mission.

"Who are the wanna be socialists / communists here?
You refute your own comments.
Biden and his minions are the socialists.
Trump was trying to restore the republic.
YOU are the communist, at least stop using Orwellian double speak and just admit it.
"

YOU as so many of you, again that we have suffered before, either don't know what a socialist stands for, or deliberately lie about it.

In a purely socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government, and individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare. The government determines the output and pricing levels of these goods and services.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

Few more for you:

Opinion: So much for ‘Biden the socialist’


President-elect Joe Biden speaks during an event in Wilmington, Del., to announce his choice
of retired Gen. Lloyd Austin III to be defense secretary on Dec. 9. (Susan Walsh/AP)

Opinion by Jennifer Rubin Columnist
Dec. 14, 2020 at 2:00 a.m. GMT+11

We should keep track of the Republican lies if only because they are destined to be repeated in future elections. In this case, I am not talking about The Lie (that President-elect Joe Biden stole the election), but about the other lazy attack Republicans deploy against virtually any Democrat: They are socialists!

We heard that gibe continually during the 2020 campaign. We continue to hear it from right-wing, anti-democratic Republicans, who shriek that voting for a 50-50 split in the Senate by electing Democrats Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock in the Georgia Senate runoff elections will summon — you guessed it — the rise of socialism and downfall of American capitalism. Poppycock.

Given Biden’s record on everything from the Iraq War to the 1994 crime bill to his campaign rhetoric opposing Medicare-for-all, Republican fear-mongering about a radical Democratic administration never made sense. And certainly, a party that no longer believes in the sanctity of elections and democratic self-government loses all credibility in identifying “radicals.”

Still, it’s worth pointing out that since the election, it has become even more apparent how moderate Biden really is. There is not a single super-progressive among his Cabinet and senior staff picks. To the contrary, his national security team is imbued with a bipartisan vision of international leadership, not a left- or right-wing call for retrenchment. His economic team, with veterans of the Obama administration including Janet Yellen as treasury secretary and serious economists at the Council of Economic Advisers, consists not of soak-the-rich socialists but center-left reformers whose most radical idea might be raising the federal minimum wage (as many states and cities have already done). Whatever you think of retired Gen. Lloyd Austin III, Biden’s pick to lead the Pentagon (my opposition .. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/08/democrats-need-defend-norms-they-should-oppose-lloyd-austins-nomination/?itid=lk_inline_manual_8 .. to a general still stands), he was an advocate .. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/lloyd-austin-biden-defense-secretary/2020/12/08/dd937584-396e-11eb-8328-a36a109900c2_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_8 .. of a larger stay-behind force in Iraq than the Obama White House team wanted. Austin is not the guy to choose if you want to turn the military upside down.

Biden has avoided innovators who might renovate departments in favor of institutionalists who want to restore departments and agencies to their original mission (e.g., Denis McDonough at Veterans Affairs, Tom Vilsack at the Agriculture Department). If anything — and I find their patience remarkable — super-progressives can point to few staffing wins.

Another silly Republican scare tactic — Democrats will pack the court! — likewise has lost credibility, especially coming from a party that rushed through a last-minute confirmation of a right-wing Supreme Court justice. In any event, the most Biden seems inclined to do is set up a commission to study court reform generically. Not the stuff of radical court-packers.

On policy, Biden’s options are limited by the closely divided Senate (even if Democrats do not win both Georgia runoffs) and by the national health-care and economic emergencies. His top agenda items — expedited vaccinations and putting together a stimulus deal — are items Republicans have championed through the Cares Act, despite their latest mind-numbing obstruction to a pre-inauguration bill. “Build Back Better” is a slogan aimed at making capitalism fairer, not knocking it down. Biden continues to resist many progressive measures, including student loan forgiveness .. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/us/politics/biden-student-loans.html .

Republicans who voted against President Trump, not necessarily because they favored or even knew much about Biden’s agenda, might be pleasantly surprised to find out that Biden Democrats look a lot like what used to be called Rockefeller Republicans. Given that the Republican Party has descended into authoritarian lunacy, these refugees from the Trump GOP might find themselves voting Democratic by default for a while. They will not agree with the administration on some issues, but they might be surprised by how little strikes them as excessively progressive, let alone socialist.

Once more, Never Trump and ex-Republicans might realize they had been sold a bill of goods by Republican fear-merchants. If Biden holds the line against the most progressive elements in his party, ex-Republicans might find themselves surprisingly comfortable in a Biden Democratic Party.

Read more:

Jennifer Rubin: Why Republicans are resorting to anti-socialism hysteria
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/03/why-republicans-are-resorting-anti-socialism-hysteria/?itid=lk_inline_manual_17

Jennifer Rubin: Democrats need to defend norms. They should oppose Lloyd Austin’s nomination.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/08/democrats-need-defend-norms-they-should-oppose-lloyd-austins-nomination/?itid=lk_inline_manual_18

Max Boot: Biden unveils a national security team without grifters, trolls or fanatics
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/24/biden-national-security-picks-blinken-sullivan/?itid=lk_inline_manual_21&itid=lk_inline_manual_25&itid=lk_inline_manual_19

Paul Waldman: Joe Biden has a radical plan for government
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/11/joe-biden-has-radical-plan-government/?itid=lk_inline_manual_25&itid=lk_inline_manual_20

Paul Waldman: Hatred of liberals is all that’s left of conservatism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/03/why-republicans-are-resorting-anti-socialism-hysteria/?itid=lk_inline_manual_21

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/13/so-much-biden-socialist/

See also:

Jesus Was A Socialist
[...]
Few Americans call themselves socialists, but many of them share socialists’ critiques of American-style capitalism, including the widening gap between the rich and the rest, the greed of the super-rich, the undue influence of Wall Street and big business in politics, and the persistence of widespread poverty and hunger in our affluent society.
[...]
Throughout American history, some of the nation’s most influential activists and thinkers, such as philosopher John Dewey, sociologist W.E.B. DuBois, scientist Albert Einstein, poet Katherine Lee Bates (who wrote “America the Beautiful”), muckraking writer Upton Sinclair, labor leaders A. Philip Randolph and Walter Reuther, civil rights crusader Martin Luther King, feminists Charlotte Perkins Gilman and Gloria Steinem, Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, and Dorothy Day (founder of the Catholic Worker movement) embraced democratic socialism.
P - In the early 1900s, socialists led the movements for women’s suffrage, child labor laws, consumer protection laws and the progressive income tax. In 1911, Victor Berger, a socialist congressman from Milwaukee, sponsored the first bill to create “old age pensions.” The bill didn’t get very far, but two decades later, in the midst of the Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt persuaded Congress to enact Social Security. Even then, some critics denounced it as un-American. But today, most Americans, even conservatives, believe that Social Security is a good idea. What had once seemed radical has become common sense.
[...]
- Then there is the other side's -
No, Jesus Wasn't a Socialist
Christian charity, being voluntary and heartfelt, is utterly distinct from the compulsory, impersonal mandates of the state.
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Father of Fascism Studies: Donald Trump Shows Alarming Willingness to Use Fascist Terms & Styles
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Right loves to hate, imitate Alinsky
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