Replies to post #365674 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[DesertDrifter]

You are still beating those debunked talking points? I understand your ilk wants more deaths, since you take such glee in it and then you troll a whole menu of things that most anyone here can debunk within about 2 minutes of searching for credible information. If you did your own research on the topics from non conspiracy sites, you would realize that your multiple whack premises are nothing more than clutter.

You are similar to the Japanese soldier who was discovered in the 1960's on a Philippine island who never had got the word that the war was over, but lived his life on erroneous beliefs for no apparent reason just because he couldn't move on. And he lived on bad information, just like you.

[DragonBear]

Yes tests that can have more than 60% false positives.

So now, only 40% of the 505,612 deaths from Covid were confirmed positive? Whatever. The Covid virus doesn't care.

People with comorbidities dying and listed as result of chinese wuhan virus, even motorcycle accidents

Those that die in motorcycle accidents (e.g. run into a wall), typically aren't hospitalized with high temperatures, respiratory distress, cytokine storms doing permanent damage to major organs. While testing positive for Covid.

there is money for that diagnosis especially getting people on ventilators.

Oh yeah. Especially for the Covid patients who without ventilators would die.

Average deaths a month for all things the last 3-4 years is around 230k to 245k yet there is no real increase.

What is this random comment suppose to be about, as a deflection? Covid in its current form has only been around since Dec 2019. And it has killed 505,612 in 1 yr in the US. And it will kill more.

YOU should definitely avoid getting vaccinated, so that another who does will have access to the vaccine. Instead get your deworming with Ivermectin, and follow the advise of Dr Stella. Remember she warned us that aliens are mixing our DNA. Gates is probably in cahoots with em. A vaccine that turns us into the Lizard People! Yippee!

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stockmule, Damn, you suffered a KO yet still managed to dribble. Impressive. How many dead
Americans would it have taken for you to encourage the beginning of a search for a vaccine?

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UPDATED: stockmule, Research says facts don't as a rule help much to change peoples' minds, still we here tend to feel they are valuable. Out
of interest (Ooi), how do you feel about receiving factual material which stand in conflict to counterfactual statements you make?

I know some people appreciate getting more accurate information. How do you feel about it? That asked, here's some

Fact check: The US saw more deaths in 2020 than in 2019, driven by the COVID-19 pandemic

Adrienne Dunn USA TODAY Jan 8 2021

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While the final mortality reports for 2020 are not yet available, preliminary numbers show that 2020 is on track to become the deadliest year in U.S. history .. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/22/2020-deadliest-year-united-states-coronavirus/4006270001/ , with deaths exceeding 3 million, undoubtedly influenced by the coronavirus pandemic.

Deaths caused by the virus itself are not the sole cause of the year's increase .. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/22/2020-deadliest-year-united-states-coronavirus/4006270001/ , as the country has also seen more suicides and drug overdoses, in part because of the pandemic.

According to the CDC, there were more than 81,000 overdose deaths .. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p1218-overdose-deaths-covid-19.html .. in the 12 months ending in May of 2020, marking the highest number of overdose deaths ever recorded in a yearlong period. Overdose data for 2020's full calendar year is not yet available.

Our ruling: False

The claim in the post is rated FALSE, based on our research. Deaths in the United States in 2020 already have surpassed 2019.

While the post has the correct number of deaths for 2019, it incorrectly concludes that only 2,835,533 U.S. deaths occurred in 2020. The total number of deaths in 2020 will not be known for months, but preliminary data shows the year has already surpassed 3.2 million, marking one of the deadliest years in U.S. history, largely influenced by the coronavirus pandemic.

Our fact-check sources:

* US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health, March 5, First cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the WHO European Region, 24 January to 21 February 2020
* USA TODAY, Dec. 24, "Fact check: 2020 has been more deadly in the US compared with recent years"

* Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dec. 2020, Mortality in the United States, 2019

* Politifact, Dec. 11, "The number of people who have died in the U.S. in 2020 is on par with years prior to COVID-19"

* Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

* USA TODAY, Dec. 22, "More than 3 million people died in 2020 – the deadliest year in US history"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/08/fact-check-u-s-more-deaths-2020-than-2019-covid-19/4141839001/

UPDATE: One other...

279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

October 15, 2020 5.39am AEDT

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Clearly visible in a graph .. https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/LWq2f/6/ .. of this data is the spike in deaths beginning in mid-March 2020 and continuing to the present. You can also see another period of excess deaths from December 2017 to January 2018, attributable to an unusually virulent flu strain that season.

The magnitude of the excess deaths in 2020 makes clear that COVID-19 is much worse than influenza, even when compared to a bad flu year like 2017-18, when an estimated 61,000 people in the U.S. died of the illness.
https://theconversation.com/279-700-extra-deaths-in-the-us-so-far-in-this-pandemic-year-147887