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[PegnVA]

Good article...David was with CNN's Fareed Zakaria this morning along with Ann Applebaum, also a staff writer at The Atlantic...Applebaum pointed out the mob Trump encouraged to attack the Capitol bldg is not strictly a Repub crowd - they were/are an anti-gov't far right mob who wants to overturn our way of governing. However, since Trump called himself a Repub the GOP and those who supported Trump for 4 years will pay the price - as David pointed out this morning, the GOP has lost the suburbs and educated voters to the Dem party.
And imo, Trump will never be president again - sure he will fund raise but that is to maintain the lifestyle he likes and pay legal bills he will surely incur, not to run for president.

[fuagf]

Yep. Frum sums it up nicely in his

"You say that you are disappointed? That a mere rebuke was not enough? That justice was not done? It wasn’t. But now see the world from the other side, through the eyes of those who defend Trump or even want him to run again. Their hope was to dismiss this impeachment as partisan, as founded on fake evidence, as hypocritical and anti-constitutional—to present this verdict as an act of oppression by one half the country against the other. That hope was banished today.

It’s not half against half. It’s a clear American majority—including a sizable part of the Republican Senate caucus—against a minority. And even many of the senators who voted to acquit went on record to condemn Trump as an outlaw and a seditionist."

and makes clearly further points here

"The background fact of this second Trump impeachment trial was how broadly popular it was. In January, a Monmouth survey found that 56 percent of Americans wanted Trump convicted. Quinnipiac reported that 59 percent regard him as responsible for inciting violence against the U.S. government. According to ABC/The Washington Post, 66 percent believe that Trump acted irresponsibly during the post-election period. According to polls, fewer than a quarter believed that Trump did “nothing wrong” on January 6.

Those are not the numbers on which to base a Grover Cleveland–style comeback tour—especially not when the majority of Americans also believe that Donald Trump did a bad job handling the COVID-19 pandemic and that President Joe Biden is doing a good job.

Things will get worse for the 45th president. The 57–43 margin in the Senate flashes a green light to federal and state prosecutors that, if they find evidence of crimes, proceeding with legal action against Trump would be politically safe.

Trump also faces the prospect of civil actions by the families of those who lost their lives in the insurrection that he incited."

and with his inclusion of McConnell's statement of fact that Trump was clearly responsible for the ferocity of the invasion of the Capitol Building.

"It’ll Do --- Impeachment did not prevail, but Trump stilllost."

As Peg said, the result of the 2nd impeachment should put an end to any idea of Trump running for president again.

[fuagf]

In 1800s America the Republican Party split could have been much more dire. It seems,
from this little bit at least, they were more concerned with integrity than they are today.

"It’ll Do --- Impeachment did not prevail, but Trump still lost."

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In the 1884 presidential election .. https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1884 , the Democrats sought a candidate who would contrast sharply with Republican nominee James G. Blaine .. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-G-Blaine , a longtime Washington insider whose reputation for dishonesty and financial impropriety prompted the Republican Mugwump .. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mugwump .. faction to bolt their party. Cleveland’s image was the opposite of Blaine’s, and he seemed likely to draw Mugwump votes to the Democratic ticket. As a result, Cleveland won the Democratic nomination with ease.

During the campaign, Cleveland’s image as the clean alternative to the supposedly sullied Blaine suffered serious damage when Republicans charged that the Democratic candidate had fathered a child out of wedlock some 10 years earlier. As Republicans joyously chortled, “Ma, ma, where’s my pa?,” Cleveland remained undaunted, and he instructed Democratic leaders to “tell the truth.” The truth, as Cleveland admitted, was that he had had an affair with the child’s mother, Maria Halpin, and had agreed to provide financial support when she named him as the father, though he was uncertain whether the child was really his. Meanwhile, Democrats, trying to contrast Cleveland’s reputation with Blaine’s, chanted “Blaine Blaine, James G. Blaine, the continental liar from the state of Maine!” Late in the campaign, Blaine experienced an embarrassment of his own, when a supporter at a rally in New York City described the Democrats as the party of “rum, Romanism, and rebellion”—a swipe at the city’s Irish Catholics, many of whom Blaine hoped to lure into his camp. Although Blaine was present when the fateful words were spoken, he did nothing to dissociate himself from the remark. The general election was determined by electoral votes from New York state, which Blaine lost to Cleveland by fewer than 1,200 votes.
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As president, Cleveland continued to act in the same negative capacity that had marked his tenures as mayor and governor. He nullified fraudulent grants to some 80 million acres (30 million hectares) of Western public lands and vetoed hundreds of pension bills that would have sent federal funds to undeserving Civil War veterans. Once again, Cleveland’s rejection of wasteful and corrupt measures endeared the president to citizens who admired his honesty and courage. He also received credit for two of the more significant measures enacted by the federal government in the 1880s: the Interstate Commerce Act (1887), which established the Interstate Commerce Commission, the first regulatory agency in the United States, and the Dawes General Allotment Act (1887), which redistributed Native American reservation land to individual tribe members.

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