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Livefree1776

02/09/21 2:46 PM

#23575 RE: Macod #23574

thank you!
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Livefree1776

02/09/21 2:50 PM

#23577 RE: Macod #23574

good article
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02/09/21 3:45 PM

#23578 RE: Macod #23574

Good article, the guy started out like Greta Thunberg’s older brother and came to tell the truth. He is a good marketer also selling 20 dollar books, i bought a copy!
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02/09/21 6:54 PM

#23584 RE: Macod #23574

Ya, thanks for the great link. Did you bother doing any fact checking on this environmentalist's claims? I find it hard to believe that anyone would take the word of a random environmentalist over thousands of the top climate scientists in the world residing in every developed country which eliminates political arguments. I was actually accepting the DD you provide here on MRGE, but now I am second guessing my judgement on that. Besides the chain of contradicting evidence let's use some common sense. Who is likely participating in a self serving conspiracy, one environmentalist who wrote a book on the subject, or thousands of unrelated scientists, many of which make only modest incomes.

If you simply search "Michael Shellenberger critique" as any scientist or statistician would you will find endless contradictions to this guy's claims.

"Daniel Swain from UCLA and the US National Center for Atmospheric Research said Shellenberger’s article “presents a mix of out-of-context facts and outright falsehoods to reach conclusions that are, collectively, fundamentally misleading”."

"Shellenberger has used a variety of conspiratorial, rightwing and fossil-fuel-funded climate denial organizations and media outlets to promote his book, which his publisher said is meant for deniers to use to argue that climate change is a problem for 100 years from now. The book, according to a review by Dr. Peter Gleick, “is deeply and fatally flawed… a polemic based on a strawman argument.” While noting that “a comprehensive catalog” of the errors and logical fallacies with the book “would require its own book,” Dr. Gleick summarizes Shellenberger’s argument as “what is new in here isn’t right, and what is right isn’t new.”"


"As for the substance of the Forbes op-ed, Shellenberger opens with a dozen of what he considers “facts” that “few people know.” Here’s a look at a few, with the actual science-based fact in bold:

We ARE driving species to extinction: Shellenberger denies that humans are causing a “sixth mass extinction,” but as Professor Gerardo Ceballs explained to ClimateFeedback, “in the last century we lost in one year the same number of species that would have been lost in 100 years!” Whether or not losing a century’s worth of species every single year for 120 years qualifies as a mass extinction event on par with a meteor strike is beside the point: human activity is destroying ecosystems at a worrying pace.

Climate change IS MAKING extreme weather worse: Multiple points Shellenberger puts forth are dedicated to denying the fact that climate change is making natural disasters worse, with wildfires being a particular focus. But there is a massive body of scientific evidence showing the fingerprint of climate change on extreme weather events, and wildfires in particular have been made significantly worse by warming. A major government review of climate science in 2018 found that in the western US, twice as many acres were burned between 1984 and 2015 than would have in the absence of climate change, and that warming and not forest management was to blame, debunking several of Shellenberger’s points at once.

Environmentalists ARE NOT making other false claims he attributes to them: Not all of Shellenberger’s claims are false though. But the things he’s right about, for example that “the Amazon is not ‘the lungs of the world” or that rich nations are reducing carbon emissions, or that “direct killing of wild animals” is a bigger threat than climate change, are not actually things that climate groups and environmentalists would contest anyway. They’re straw man arguments he’s using to pad out the list. For example, we actually published a debunking of the Amazon meme that went viral, and while emissions in some countries are going down, even with the coronavirus pandemic’s impact they’re nowhere near the trajectory needed to meet the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5C. And yes, of course directly killing animals is a more direct threat than climate change! Who would ever argue that killing an animal is less of a threat to it than literally anything else?

Although Shellenberger’s past as an environmentalist may mean he’s not a typical climate change denier, in light of his use of false and misleading arguments made in climate denial blogs and hyperbolic “heliocentric sect” attacks on the press, all in order to sell a book to climate deniers, he may as well be. "