Replies to post #363390 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[Zorax]

So what do you get if you win?
You're way off on your vaccine scare tactics. There are more than 4 known working vaccines and they are effective on newer strains. Just like flu inoculations.
The strains are not entirely new viruses.

I don't see why you're pushing such negative vaccine bullshit and blaming President Biden. It was your demented hero trump that made the mess.

[fuagf]

shermann7, A link please for your "As far as I can tell, the vaccine is only designed for the Wuhan Strain"

I've neither read that nor heard it. Anywhere.

[blackhawks]

You start with a bet. Then despite claims that it is believed, by scientists, that the vaccines ARE effective against the new strain you categorically state that they aren't.

IF infections were occurring at uniform rates in all states, THEN a national shutdown might be called for. That is not the case.

Misinformation and conclusion jumping are no part of common sense.

[fuagf]

xhermann7, Obviously America needs strong, upright, enterprising and conscientious people like you in Congress.

"Democrat, Republican ... They all sold out to the highest bidder, and that is my point ... "

There is much bemusement in that of yours as you and you fellow Americans vote all your politicians in.

You, and so many others, are so condemnatory of ALL politicians yet those people are put there by you.

There are good and bad doctors, lawyers, accountants and mothers and fathers. And good and bad and in between politicians too.

It's the same in Australia. So many love to put all politicians down. It doesn't make sense other than it is an easy way out for you.

[fuagf]

shermann7, Would you seriously rather live in Poland or Turkey?

"Democrat, Republican ... They all sold out to the highest bidder, and that is my point ..."

Ok, understandable maybe when Trump was president. He sure left you in a mess didn't he?

Yes or no, your trick, will do.

Of course that's why he lost the election by so much.

"This is all pretty much common sense ..."

[fuagf]

shermann7, 'Complete inaccuracies': Viral Facebook post about COVID-19 tests debunked

If this doesn't go directly to your anti-test hype it goesw close enough.

I general you can pretty well believe that anti-test info as yours, or anti-vac stuff you are likely to read, will be misinformation. And you are not going to get away with posting unsubstantiated assertions as

"As far as I can tell, the vaccine is only designed for the Wuhan Strain ... We also have the Italian and NW European strains that are prevalent in the U.S.
P - The Current PCR tests have a Cycle Threshod of from 30 to 45 ... The CDC has stated that anything over 25 is an invalid test, which pretty much invalidates most of the tests performed."

without including a link to back up your words.

You MUST provide a support link with anything close to what you have done there.

If you don't abide by that don't be surprised in your post is deleted.

RMIT ABC Fact Check

Posted Saturday 23 May 2020 at 8:27am, updated Saturday 23 May 2020 at 12:51pm


RMIT ABC Fact Check presents the latest debunked misinformation on COVID-19.(RMIT ABC Fact Check)

CoronaCheck is RMIT ABC Fact Check’s regular email newsletter dedicated to fighting the misinformation infodemic surrounding the coronavirus outbreak.

You can read the latest edition below, and subscribe to have the next newsletter delivered straight to your inbox.

CoronaCheck #19

A couple of weeks ago we reported a story on Clive Palmer and his claim that the use of the drug hydroxychloroquine had been a major factor in the Australia's low number of COVID-19 deaths. He made that claim after announcing he'd bought 33 million doses of the drug to donate to Australia's medical stockpile. We've now fact checked that claim, and found it to be baseless.

We've also looked at a claim made by Agriculture Minister David Littleproud that Australia has the "most secure food security in the world". We found that claim to be in the ballpark.

Also investigated by us this week: a Facebook post attributed to the Department of Health claims common coronavirus tests can't distinguish COVID-19 from other illnesses. The Department told us that was incorrect.

Facebook post about PCR tests contains 'complete inaccuracies'

A post shared widely on Facebook .. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=2715782852042528&set=a.1387470134873813 .. and attributed to the Department of Health claims that tests for the novel coronavirus, known as SARS-COV-2, are not able to distinguish the virus from other illnesses.



"It should be noted that PCR tests cannot distinguish between "live" virus and non-infective RNA," the post states.

"This means the test cannot [distinguish] covid from a cold or measles or ebola."

As Australian Medical Association ACT President Antonio Di Dio explained to the ABC .. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-finger-prick-expanded-criteria/12089608 .. in March, Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) tests are the most widely used COVID-19 tests in Australia, and work by taking a "fingerprint" of RNA from a patient.

"In the context of COVID-19, you get a piece of the RNA from a swab of the patient, you double it, then again and again," Dr Di Dio said. "Until you have millions of copies."

Within a few hours, the sample would be large enough to see whether COVID-19 is present.

A caption alongside the Facebook post claims the information has been taken "from [the Department of Health’s] own website".

LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-national-cabinet/13080116

In a statement, a department spokesman told RMIT ABC Fact Check the post contained "selectively chosen information taken out of context" from a factsheet for clinicians .. https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/03/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-clinicians.pdf , along with "complete inaccuracies".

"The factsheet is actually dealing with COVID-19 positive people continuing to test positive after the infectious period has passed," the spokesman said.

"It is true that the PCR may still result in a positive test, because of remaining non-infectious viral load within the patient."

He said the test would not detect any pathogen other than the SARS-COV-2 virus.

Clive Palmer's baseless hydroxychloroquine claim

Touted by some as a miracle cure for COVID-19, the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine was thrust into the spotlight again this week when US President Donald Trump revealed .. https://tinyurl.com/yyhqsmy5 .. he was taking it to avoid contracting the illness.

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Billionaire businessman Clive Palmer says Australia has given credit
to hydroxychloroquine for Australia's low coronavirus death rate.
Read more > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/has-hydroxychloroquine-helped-australia-flatten-the-death-curve/12256996

The drug recently made headlines in Australia when outspoken businessman Clive Palmer donated almost 33 million doses — reportedly .. https://tinyurl.com/y4qj9zuq .. more than the equivalent of entire US stocks — to Australia’s national medical stockpile. In a series of newspaper ads and TV interviews, Mr Palmer claimed hydroxychloroquine was behind Australia’s low mortality rate, which he said had fallen since the drug was made available to treat hospitalised coronavirus patients in early April.

But can Australia’s success be linked to the drug? Fact Check asked the experts and found Mr Palmer’s claim to be baseless .. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/has-hydroxychloroquine-helped-australia-flatten-the-death-curve/12256996 . In fact, the drug was already available to hospital patients, and experts said the death curve had flattened because just a few weeks earlier the case curve had done the same.

The jury is still out on whether the drug works as a treatment for COVID-19. However, the evidence isn't promising. Given the known risks of hydroxychloroquine, Australia's medicines regulatory body strongly advises against giving it to coronavirus patients in the absence of positive clinical trial results.

David Littleproud is in the ballpark on food security

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-23/coronacheck-covid-19-tests-measles-ebola-cold/12276130

[fuagf]

shermann7, You can bet Biden's team has learned from other countries' experience and success or not of
methods they have used toward getting the virus under control. And from Trump's lack of success. To your

"I am certainly willing to bet that when the new UK strain hits the United States in Force, we will all be locked down ..."

Most certainly your states will continue as they have been sp far

A Guide to State Coronavirus Reopenings and Lockdowns
Many states are weighing how to ease weekslong restrictions on travel and business
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-state-by-state-guide-to-coronavirus-lockdowns-11584749351 ,

just with better help and guidance from Biden's people than they got from Trump.

Almost certainly you will not face a federal lockdown as you have forecast.

In fact the British strain is in some 60 countries already, including yours.

New COVID Strain Spreading Across U.S.: What We Know
By Matt Stieb
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-is-the-new-covid-19-strain-that-shut-down-england-u-k.html

PS: Notice the use of links. Assertions as you make require links more than not.