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07/26/20 5:56 PM

#350186 RE: BullNBear52 #350176

Social movements are always complex, and muddy.

"Fires and Pepper Spray in Seattle as Protests Widen Across U.S."

Why Protest Movements Are ‘Civil’ Only in Retrospect

Once history has endorsed a social movement, people tend to simplify it and downplay the opposition it faced. But while movements are happening, historians say, they are always messy.

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Some of the United States’ most prominent social movements have involved violent confrontation — from the abolitionist John Brown’s 1859 raid on Harpers Ferry to the Haymarket affair of 1886 to the 1969 Stonewall riots — and the results don’t fit a neat pattern. In terms of plain effectiveness, apart from moral and philosophical considerations, it is not always the case that peaceful protest helps a movement achieve its goals and violent protest hurts it.

Omar Wasow, a political scientist at Princeton, found that the riots after Dr. King’s assassination drove some voters toward Richard Nixon’s “law and order” platform in 1968 — yet a year later, Stonewall gave a major lift to the gay rights movement. Researchers have found that the 1992 Los Angeles riots led to “a marked liberal shift in policy support at the polls” — yet they also became a major issue in the city’s 1993 mayoral race, in which Angelenos elected their first Republican mayor in 36 years.

Most often, historians say, social movements succeed in the vast space between riots and “civility.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/us/politics/us-protests-history-george-floyd.html

Trump's fascist-like ways were obviously always going to give anarchists and groups as

Refuse Fascism
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The group advocates Trump's removal from office by constitutional methods (including the Twenty-fifth Amendment) and identifies the Arab Spring and the protests leading to the impeachment of former President of South Korea Park Geun-hye in March 2017 as evidence of the effectiveness of protests.[9] Members share a disbelief in the ability of the Democratic Party's capacity to stop Trump and a commitment to direct action.[9] Refuse Fascism member Raphael Kadaris said in July 2017: "There's a lot of people hoping that Democrats somehow intervene or one of these investigations. The idea we that we can rely on people in the FBI or Democratic party is a dangerous illusion."[8]

Refuse Fascism spokesperson Sunsara Taylor said that the group opposed Trump and Pence because

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Trump has openly promoted white supremacy, encouraged police brutality and brought back mandatory sentencing. He has demonized and unleashed terror against immigrants and torn thousands from their families. His Muslim ban is largely in effect. Trump has threatened the courts and the press. The Trump/Pence regime has muzzled scientists, accelerated the destruction of the environment and threatened the world with nuclear annihilation. Pence opposes abortion in all circumstances and would completely deny the rights of LGBTQ people
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuse_Fascism

energy.

Trump with his incendiary talk and action has fed division since 2015.

And Trump supporters, of course, no doubt would likely be responsible for at least some of the property destruction today.

Of course the only way Trump will be put out now is for all to vote.

Biden will for certain win the popular vote as Clinton did. It's the Electoral College which again will be the key.

There some see another problem which one day could lead to even worse riots than you see today.