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JesusIsLord

12/13/06 10:29 PM

#216131 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

On #8 did you mean to say 600 million O/S?

ChannelTrader

12/13/06 10:32 PM

#216139 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Stock, the major issue as we all know is the A/F. I don't believe for a second the BS they told you concerning the A/F delay. If it was an auditor at fault why did Petar issue lies ? Why level with you now instead of issuing PR's then ? Wouldn't it have been prudent for Petar to tell the truth and say "we're not satisfied with the audit results and believe them to be in error and are hiring a credible firm to provide the financial facts"

Once a BS'er usually always a BS'er.

jk21

12/13/06 10:35 PM

#216144 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

very nice HOG!! will supply much fodder for the masses. sounds pretty good. still need to see some back-up for it all, of course.

many things stuck out, but one i will mention is about the store opening in dubai this or next week? i would think that we would have heard something on this front over the last few months. kinda comes out of nowhere. know what i mean? why wouldn't stuff like getting a location be PR'd?

anyway, thank you very much. this was great. as free of bias as possible. thanks.

Mr Mackey

12/13/06 10:36 PM

#216147 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

nice job hog, thanks for the update!

when are you and Airys going to start up your IR company? Sounds like you have your first client in the bag.

peorge

12/13/06 10:38 PM

#216148 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

even though i have been bashing the heck out of this stock, if even most of this is true and not another ploy to raise the pps so they can unload more A/S this should do very well in the long term. :)

good luck, peorge

DownWithPumpers

12/13/06 10:41 PM

#216152 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

There's not one single fact we can verify in that whole list.

1) Why were the AFs delayed and why did you make date-certain deadlines? Who did the financials before? Were the previously posted 06 financials and 07 proforma correct?

Econometrics were hired to do the financials. Someone named Greg Garrett. They advised that they would have PWC do the audit of the fins (Sulja would pay for both and agreed). They (Econometrics) basically did a very poor job and after many screw-ups, had to be let go. Inventory and leases seemed to be one of the problems. Sulja trusted them to deliver and made a mistake with giving exact dates. It was not their intention to miss any deadlines. Some mistakes have been made in the past, but none with legal implications. The prior financials and proforma include revs from the M.E. which should not have all been in there, as only the commission on the brokered deals should have.


I have never heard of a company called Econometrics that does auditing. The science of econometrics has absolutely nothing to do with auditing.

Def: Application of mathematical and statistical techniques to economics in the study of problems, the analysis of data, and the development and testing of theories and models.

S.A.G.

12/13/06 10:41 PM

#216153 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

HOG, as always, you have done an incredible job of passing on the truth. I agree 110% on everything exactly as written. WTG man!!!

Airys418

janice shell

12/13/06 10:43 PM

#216156 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

The prior financials and proforma include revs from the M.E. which should not have all been in there, as only the commission on the brokered deals should have.

And whose fault was that?

proftstocksny2

12/13/06 10:47 PM

#216160 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Tremendous info Stock!! We owe you so much and will toast you at the shareholders meeting!

Look forward to a PR tomorrow or Friday...maybe two.

Nevertheless, I think we have turned a corner and the pps will be moving back up more tomorrow and going forward.

Prof.

Jerry1956

12/13/06 10:51 PM

#216167 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Stock H.O.G. GREAT job, Thank you Airys and FFB. This sounds very good. We shall see. Plan to hold for the show. And add along the way. Good Luck All.

proftstocksny2

12/13/06 10:52 PM

#216169 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

I bet the trustees are Sulja family members imho.

Prof.

mrdrammar

12/13/06 10:52 PM

#216170 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

very nice ..thanks mr THE HOG heheh

But what he means only for Only shareholders on record which record !! the police resord ? but i never had a record with the police :(

coolbill

12/13/06 11:02 PM

#216178 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Thanks HOG for the incredible job. We all owe you, Arys and FFB.

Fishforbreakfast

12/13/06 11:21 PM

#216192 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Hello, Paul.. Thanks for your additional and very complete notes on todays events..Lets hope additional PR can come out and future deals can be completed..

I had not spoken to Petar in the past.. I heard all kinds of Petar storys.. I am somewhat leary of Petar.. Yet some of what he did say today made sense to me.. Maybe this can be turned around. It will not happen overnight..

I voiced my concerns today on how they plan to attract any new shareholders with what has happened over the past number of weeks..I voiced my concerns as to how hard it will be to grow the PPS as long as SLJB is listed on the pink Sheet Stocks.

I honestly feel the AF will get done. Then Sulja Brothers will take the necessary steps to get listed on the OTCBB exchange via a form 10 or maybe a Merger with an existing OTCBB Company

For now I am willing to watch and wait.. I am by no means happy with what has happened over the past 2 months.. So many are asking me for advise.. I feel kinda between a rock and a hard place..Thanks again for your thoughts and your trust. FFB-Fish


Tuslog28

12/13/06 11:23 PM

#216194 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

H.O.G.: you rock as usual. very professional and much, much appreciated.

sunnyjax

12/13/06 11:23 PM

#216195 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Great work HOG, Fish and Air.

I have a couple of questions.

1. If they are doing $1 million a month and making 15% profit then 10X profit would be valuation of $18 million / 600 million shares = $.03 current valuation. 10x seems like a little low if the cement deal is real.

2. If they are doing $1.2 million a month and making 15% profit then 10X profit would be valuation of $21.6 million / 600 million shares = $.036 current valuation. 10x seems like a little low if the cement deal is real.

3. If the cement deal is real and its only 5 million tons a year at $.90 income per ton and 50% expense, then $2.25 million falls to the bottom line and that alone increase valuation by $.0375 based on 10x.

4. I could take all the above and look at 20x earnings and then look at the growth in earnings due to the cement and other deals and then the multiple grows. This is typical spreadsheet BS and seemingly is part of the problem.

5. Lets deal with 1., 2. & 3. If one is true then we are undervalued. If 2 is true then we have about a 100% gain in the near future. If 3 and 1 or 2 is true then we are back to $.10+ again.

6. 1, 2 and 3 don't mean poop until the auditor's verify. I don't mean rumor auditors and I don't need PW or KPMG. Just legit auditor. If 1 or 2, plus 3 are legit and the auditor verifies, then we have a nice little company.

7. If 1 is correct and 3 is just a view of the future then I am glad I held on to my $50,000 investment, worth less now and look forward to quarterly financials in the future.

8. I was one that called and talked to Leslie when the troubles started. I wasn't buying a scam then and I still have shaky confidence now. Strange that I would risk $50k on a phone call with Leslie and other things, but gut is sometimes all you got? I guess I just paid Leslie a compliment?

I hope HOG, Air, Fish and everyone else will continue these efforts, I for one am very appreciative. Hopefully my summations above are conservative and accurate and the rest will take care of itself.

My sister lives in Kitchener, just outside of Toronto. I have been promising her I would come and visit, but didn't want to do it in the winter. Maybe its time to visit Canada?

Sunny

I have no clue what will happen in the future, whatever I posted may just be a total fantasy. DO NOT rely on anything I have stated here, I am just another MORON that knows absolutely nothing and if you base any decision on my ramblings you must be a MORON too. I will love you in the morning though!

joelotto

12/13/06 11:25 PM

#216198 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

This part sucks...

1-1.2mil per month. 12-14.4mil per year???? 1.8mil to 2.2mil in net profit. this is way off the 65+mil revs and 15+mil net profit that they put in the PRs. I think they meant to say weekly, not monthly(I hope). Something is way off here and I hope they forgot about M.E. or something when they were talking to you. This is BS big time and I hope they do some time in jail if true. almost everything they put out is a lie. The more I read the more I get pissed.

jerseyboy

12/13/06 11:27 PM

#216202 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

H.O.G.,

Your work is just excellent; there is no other term for it. From what I can see, the perceptions of impropriety that currently plague the company are just due to a series of screwups that had more to do with inexperience than anything else, and management has now set a plan in place to right the ship. I think they should be given that chance, and plan to hold my 100,000 shares while I watch their plan develop. Thanks again for your perseverance and hard work.

nsomniyak

12/13/06 11:29 PM

#216214 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

thanks HOG, I appreciate the effort you put in.

ugotworms

12/13/06 11:38 PM

#216233 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

great job as always hog, havent been keeping up much in our situation lately (afraid to see pps), your post brought me up to date on everything tho... thanks!

jbgoodtrader

12/14/06 12:02 AM

#216266 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

"29) What's happening with plans for IR? We have been talking to 3 firms and all of them say they want shares as part of payment. We do not want to give shares out, have them pump the stock, then unload them. We will continue to work on this."

Smart move! I like the way these guys think!

John Good

prosperousone

12/14/06 12:06 AM

#216268 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

excelent h.o.g real nice now what
will it take to see the pps go up pretty quick?

DownWithPumpers

12/14/06 12:09 AM

#216272 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

23) What are the approximate revs of Sulja and SAMs per month? About 1M to 1.2M/month this year. It was probably about 2M/month the prior year. What your profit margin? About 15%.

Now we know the truth. With revenue dropping, at least, 40% per year, it's clear that these companies weren't dumped on shareholders because they were performing well.

toddeholden

12/14/06 12:23 AM

#216298 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Thanks for the effort, HOG

boogaloo

12/14/06 12:38 AM

#216307 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

HOG, Thanks for the detailed notes. em

4gemz

12/14/06 1:09 AM

#216326 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Exceptional CC and post of same.

4gemz

SLJB long & strong!

Immy93

12/14/06 1:20 AM

#216330 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

GOOD WORK I'm going in tomorrow....thanks a bunch...we r not nasdaq overnite as previously anticipated but may pop up to 10 cents....

Sunshine-kid0

12/14/06 2:29 AM

#216355 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Hey TEAM, AS expected you all did a fantastic job with UR interview. Thanks so much for sharing and let's hope that they meet their challenges. looks like they are serious about their GOALS. Thanks again for all UR EFFORTS

KQforever

12/14/06 2:52 AM

#216357 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Thank you stock hog, this was EXACLTY what everyone has been dying to hear for 3+ months, even if its not as good as originally perceived.

ChrisJP

12/14/06 6:07 AM

#216366 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Great job on the interview Stock HOG. You did a great job writing it up too.

It still doesn't really bring anything to closure, but the dialog with shareholders is still an important thing to have.

Chris

jimmym4

12/14/06 7:34 AM

#216382 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Well hog..thats some effort there!.Thanks for all the hard work...BUT..IMO everything they said was BS..I mean for the love of money....600million O/S NOW!!..Give me a break..how many were dumped above .12!!!..And the design depot was ALREADY supposed to be open MONTHS AGO..And the merry go round
with the audit..PURE BS IMO!!!!!..If that was the case NO public company would EVER report~!!..Sheesh..They are milking this for all they can and TRYING to stay out of JAIL IMHO~!

grnich

12/14/06 8:31 AM

#216407 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

So O/S is 600M? I guess that PR about not issuing more shares and Wessal having buying to buy in the open market was yet another lie.

Plus 200M in the treasury? So they issued the whole 800M above 10 cents and treasury bought them back at 1 cent? Nice, Petar.

domain311

12/14/06 8:53 AM

#216420 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Excellent work HOG...Really appreciate the effort you and Airys have put in. Seem to be getting some answers now...which is what we need. Thanks..

Away still so popping in when I can....seems to be you guys have been busy :)

Airys from Miami, right? Wife and I came to ft lauderdale for about a week, no kids...been crappy weather, but good to get away for a bit.

H-C

12/14/06 9:48 AM

#216472 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Thank you Hog .

Nice to see the happy hog back.



kenmoney

12/14/06 10:53 AM

#216566 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Thank you Hog, FFB and Airys. Your time and shared info much appreciated.

InvestorOtter

12/14/06 10:56 AM

#216569 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Just read your update from last night. Good stuff. Thanks very much!

easypikens

12/14/06 11:09 AM

#216582 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

So- there are no financials- profit margins are 15% on sales of 12million annually- Is that gross margins. If So what are net figures. So they did not do 64 mil in revenue last year like they said. And they called up Lafarge and ordered 100 million tons of cement. Why wouldn't their Buyer do same thing, and save the commission. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

misterbull

12/14/06 11:15 AM

#216589 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Stock H.O.G., From the phone conversation:
1. SLJB sold 100 million shares recently.
2. SLJB un-restricted all their shares.
3. SLJB has 200 million shares in the treasury ready to sell when they want to.
4. When SLJB moves to the OTCBB market they will issue 200 million more shares of stock (to grow aka DILUTE the company).
5. By selling the 400 million shares during the uplisting SLJB will richly reward their long term share holders, like me?
6. Sounds like self-serving, double dealing, lying management to me.
7. Why would SLJB need to hire a Texas lawyer unless they are still involved with Andrew DeVries?
8. Looking forward to the shareholder's meeting. Why can't it be in Nevada where they chose to incorporate?
Misterbull

KingArthur

12/14/06 9:36 PM

#217268 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Stock H.O.G., Airys418, & Fishforbreakfast: THANKS!

THANK YOU! I have lurked on investorshub's boards for years. I have never felt a need to sign up until now. THANK YOU! I just wanted to say thanks for your efforts. What you have done and continue to share with this board's members is very generous. Thank you.

Stock H.O.G. & Airys418, your travel to Canada, in search of answers, was nothing short of inspiring. When naysayers posted their baloney, you invited Fishforbreakfast to participate in the latest CC. This, seemingly minor detail, was brilliant; completely removing any reasonable persons' doubts as to your collective veracities regarding these meetings. Thank you.

All of my shares remain in my possession and will continue in their current status until such time as all matters have been fully resolved. Please continue your efforts undeterred by the slings and arrows of those with less heart and vision. Thank you.

KingArthur


stockmover

12/15/06 9:35 AM

#217547 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Very sad situation, my heart goes out to those who lost large amounts here. Company lied repeatedly. It appears they were all in on it, starting in the LFWK days and including all the big players here yelling "Not selling till $1"

The lumberyard.


EarnestDD

12/04/07 12:12 AM

#289944 RE: Stock H.O.G. #216120

Oh .. the lies ... the lies.... LOL

Posted by: Stock H.O.G.
In reply to: None Date:12/13/2006 10:18:24 PM
Post #of 289942

This is what I heard today and took notes on. None of this is my opinion, it's what I heard from Steve Sulja and Petar Vucicevich. As always, don't buy or sell based on what I write. Do your own DD and make your own decisions. Personally, I plan to hold my shares and I look forward to meeting other shareholders in Windsor in January, even though it will be cold as hell. This is everything that I have, so please don't ask me about any questions that are not on here. I couldn't ask every single question on the list, but think we did pretty good.

1) Why were the AFs delayed and why did you make date-certain deadlines? Who did the financials before? Were the previously posted 06 financials and 07 proforma correct?

Econometrics were hired to do the financials. Someone named Greg Garrett. They advised that they would have PWC do the audit of the fins (Sulja would pay for both and agreed). They (Econometrics) basically did a very poor job and after many screw-ups, had to be let go. Inventory and leases seemed to be one of the problems. Sulja trusted them to deliver and made a mistake with giving exact dates. It was not their intention to miss any deadlines. Some mistakes have been made in the past, but none with legal implications. The prior financials and proforma include revs from the M.E. which should not have all been in there, as only the commission on the brokered deals should have.

2) Speigel & Associates near toronto is in the process of being hired as the auditors. I told them that I talked to Bernard Speigel already. He said he's very professional and is asking for various financials, including data from previous years, which the company is gathering and delivering. Bernand will work with a firm in Chicago to handle the SEC/PCAOB portion of this. AFs will be done, without question.

3) Do you plan to get off the pinksheets? Yes, we realize we must get off the pinks. We have a couple of options. Option 1: purchase a current OTCBB company. We are looking at 3 right now. Two of the three that were looked at we will not go with. Option 2: After the audit is done, file Form 10, etc and uplist.

4) Please give us an update on the RCMP investigation. There was one interview with the RCMP a couple months ago. We cooperated and have not been contacted by the OEC, SEC, RCMP or any other agency since.

5) What are you doing to ensure no mistakes are made in the future with the company? We have hired lawyers, very good accountants, and a new CFO is coming onboard. to assist us.

6) Who are the lawyers? Frazier, Miller, and (someone else - HOG can't read his writing on the 3rd) & Richard W. Markle in Texas.

7) Do you plan to add to the A/S in the future? No time soon, but possible if when we move to the OTCBB, an additional 200M would be necessary, in order to grow the business locally and in the Middle East.

8) What is the current A/S, O/S, etc.? A/S is 800M, O/S is 600M plus 200M in treasury, which are not restricted.

9) When will you ungag the T/A and why were they gagged before? We will ungag the TA as soon as the trustees agree to it. They were gagged to protect them. They did not want tons of calls to them, etc. This will happen very, very soon.

10) Who are the trustees? We can't tell you that yet, but you will find out as soon as the TA is ungaged. Are they from the M.E.? No, they are from N. America and are lawyers. Is it Godbetter? No, it's not.

11) Do you still work with Godbetter in any way? No, we do not.

12) Do you understand why the shareholders are not pleased with the company right now? Yes, we know that people have invested and lost hard earned money. We do not like to see this. We help a lot of people via charity and do care about the shareholders. We are focused on growing the company and shareholder value.

13) Is Sam Sulja a stock trader? No, he is a trader in the sense of trading/brokering materials.

14) How do you plan to be transparent to the shareholders? We will produce AFs, we will ungag the transfer agent, we will communicate more detailed PRs in the future, we will have a shareholder meeting in Windsor in mid-January, 2007.

15) Who is the new CFO? His name is Siddiq (not sure if first or last). A PR with his profile will be communicated. His job will be to drive the completion of the AFs, ensure all of the books are in order, etc. Typical CFO work. He is very experienced.

16) If Petar leaves, who is in a position to broker the deals in the M.E.? Sam Sulja has been quite involved. Steve is also building relationships in the M.E.

17) Does Sulja have any debt? No, everything is paid free and clear, other than our leased trucks. We used part of the 12M that we capitalized to pay for everything. The rest will be used to continue to grow the business locally and in the M.E.

18) Where do we have offices in the M.E.? Cairo, Lebanon, and the Dubai office should be opened by early this coming week.

19) Why did Wessal sell their shares? They wanted to control the company and we didn't want to give them the control they wanted. They were not happy with this fact. They were the one's who requested the 50M certs. What about the $25M loan they provided? The loan never went through.

20) Will the deals in the M.E. hit the Sulja books/bottom line? Yes.

21) Do the shares we own have all of the Sulja assets, etc in them? Yes, that is correct. You do not own an empty shell.

22) What's the latest with the Windsor Star? They wouldn't be surprised to see more articles. Do you plan to sue them? It's not worth spending the money. They do have deep pockets and we could spend our money more wisely. Why did you not give Gary R the documents he requested? We don't owe him anything and we're not wasting our time gathering all of our documents for him. When Sulja's bought SAMs, it was the talk of the town. Gary knows this is all true. He's looking to sell papers and he's doing it.

23) What are the approximate revs of Sulja and SAMs per month? About 1M to 1.2M/month this year. It was probably about 2M/month the prior year. What your profit margin? About 15%.

24) What's the deal with the website? We stopped all work on this for now, since it got so bad. HOG said you need to finish it and put all of the company items on there. There should be no Q&A or blog, unless the blog is only for Steve Sulja. They agree and Steve was going to call them to finish the site.

25) Is the lumber mill deal off? Yes, they wanted too much money after they determined they would quickly get the tariff money.

26) Do you still believe we can get to the NASDAQ? Yes, we do believe we can get to the NASDAQ over time.

27) So what's your plan for the shareholder meeting? We will rent an auditorium and have it in mid-January. We may even rent buses to take shareholders to the locations and meet the people. Only shareholders on record will be admitted. We will be opened to questions and suggestions to make the company better.

28) Again, was SAMs and all-cash deal? Yes. Cash for the business plus the inventory.

29) What's happening with plans for IR? We have been talking to 3 firms and all of them say they want shares as part of payment. We do not want to give shares out, have them pump the stock, then unload them. We will continue to work on this.

30) What's in it for the Sulja's to keep running the company? The will continue to run and grow the company. There are about 40 people there who depend on the company for employment. This will not change. We hope to see the company around 100 years from now.

31) Does Steve Sulja have a clear understanding of the public trading portion of Sulja's? Steve is learning about this on a daily basis. He has managed all of the operations for years and is now expanding his role.

32) How are Kore and Sulja and Consultech related? They are related in that Sulja will be the materials supplier for all of the Kore/Consultech projects around the world.

33) Did it take a long time to build relationships in the M.E.? Yes, it took a lot of time, travelling, and money to start building the relationships we have today.

34) Who's supplying the cement to you in the form of an allocation? There are two big suppliers. Is one of them Lefarge? Yes, they are one of them. 100M tonnes of allocation seems to be a lot, correct? Yes, we could never sell that much. Sulja's are also working to get their own allocations, which usually come in blocks of 10M tonnes. Do you need an export/import license in the various countries in the M.E.? Yes, we work through the suppliers and utilize their licenses.

35) Is there still going to be a Design Depot in Dubai? Yes, this is still on our plate and we plan to move forward with this.

36) Why is the CCM merger off? I would like to keep my company private. Running a public company can be very challenging, as we have seen with Sulja's.

37) Can you give us an update on the building of the tire recycling plant(s)? Sulja will be supplying materials only. They have nothing to do with actually building the plant.

38) So we can expect PRs in the very near future on the share structure, ungagging of the TA, information on the shareholder meeting, and details on the recent cement deal that can be verified? Yes, you will begin to see them this week.