Replies to post #347 on Umbra Companies Inc (UCIX)

[Bobbar]

Interesting post. So you really think they messed up?

[Cat]

Seeing a 500% ROI on this is not going to happen unless its over time and everything goes well throughout the years following the merger (think AMZN, GOOG, AAPL,NFLX etc - it takes time to gain that type of value)

Umbra Applied Technologies is currently worth less than 1 million dollars. The company is wholly owned by the vehicle UATG. We own shares of UATG at a price of 0.0006$ per share.

If at some later time it reaches the success of those companies you cited, that will require a gain in literally 10s of millions of percent.

Amazon chart

Notice the 100,000+% all-time return.

And AMZN was MUCH bigger than UAT when it went public a couple decades ago. If it went public at a valuation of just 1M$ then the return would be a whopping 100M % . Obviously UAT will never compare to Amazon though.

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This legend actually came FROM THE OTC, and actually traded SUBPENNY for a while just like UATG. If UAT were to ever 'make it big', then it should look something like MNST. Again, that means 100,000%+ gain, not 500% gain.

It's rare, but when a legit company makes it out of OTC and onto a major exchange through real growth in company value, original shareholders are rewarded with 1,000s, 10,000s, and even 100,000s of percent on their investment. The only way UATG uplists from OTC and yet we see something pathetic like "500%" (lmao) is if Umbra swindles us out of our shares and percentage ownership of the company.

UATG is trading at 0.0006 today. Anyone who bought stock a couple years ago is down 95% on their first buys. Your measly 500% return gets the stock to .003$, which is literally below this company's VWAP and so wouldn't even get most back in the BLACK, let alone green.

So no, you are the one who has literally no idea what they're talking about on this one if you think there's anything reasonable about buying thousands of $ worth of a triple zero stock in the hopes of realizing 30% gain or something like that. The risk/reward on buying subpenny stocks for such relatively small returns just isn't there.

Your statement that 500% return on shares currently worth 0.0006$ would represent a big "ROI" makes me doubt you actually have any investing experience in the OTC in general.

Not trying to be harsh or mean but try spending a little time in the OTC around stocks that trade subpenny or triple zero like UATG. A bit of news and these things can see 1,000% runs in a matter of weeks or months. When something is worth nearly nil, any upward movement represents a massive % change, basic math. So your discussion is just completely misplaced. Not much else to be said.

[Cat]

Last thing, if they didn't want people to know about this new shell, they shouldn't have published UmbraCompanies.com for all to see.

Moreover, my belief is that 99% this is just the prelude to pump and dump round 2, in which case I'm just doing them a favor by increasing awareness which is their goal by doing this. If it's that 1% chance that it's actually a legit uplist/merger, then me posting on iHub isn't going to screw anything up lol.

Also Umbra has been yapping everyone's ears off in PR and private phone conversations for 6 years now about uplist and cryptic plans to bring products to market and get financing. So he really can't complain now that people are looking to see if he's following through on anything. If he didn't want us looking he could've just shut his trap.

[Cat]

Actually one more thing because you are just so profoundly incorrect on this...DAY TRADERS HAVE NO ABILITY TO PERMANENTLY TANK A COMPANY'S MARKET CAPITALIZATION.

One more time for this in the back:

DAY. TRADERS. HAVE. NO. ABILITY. TO. PERMANENTLY. TANK. A. COMPANY'S. MARKET. CAPITALIZATION.

If a company can reasonably be estimated by current valuation methods to have an intrinsic value of, say, 500M$ based on revenue, profit, assets, or any other valuation method, then QUALIFIED INVESTORS WILL PURCHASE SHARES AT A PRICE LOWER THAN THAT VALUATION. PERIOD.

THERE IS ALWAYS A MARKET FOR UNDERVALUED ASSETS.

One more time:

THERE. IS. ALWAYS. A. MARKET. FOR. UNDERVALUED. ASSETS.

If UCIX had a "real" value of, say, 5$ per share, but disgruntled day traders and UATG shareholders were willing to sell all the way down to 1$, THEN HEDGE FUNDS AND INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS WOULD BUY THEIR SHARES AT 1 - 5 $.

Short term small holders are responsible for short-term PPS fluctuation, long term large holders (usually institutional) are responsible for setting the company's valuation and long-term PPS trend.

This is finance 10 freaking 1 dude. Your rhetoric is at this point fooling NO ONE. You cannot blame shareholders for PPS underperformance, that's unbelievably absurd.