o.k. LG... I gotcha... understood......now let me add a line from Rosens statement no return for equity......WAMU was an over 100 year corporation, the largest Savings and Loan Bank, with myriads of subsidiaries...Home savings , Great Western, et.al. and only has 84000 dollars in MBS at the time of seisure, and chapter 11 filing?....yea, thats a crock......they moved the sausage...Lodas