pinkster, you can make them into arrows too, right on the candle! shape below candlde, then choose arrow as the shape!! holy moly, I should play around with this stuff once in a while!!! I literally just noticed this. Too bad you cnanot make them into arrows below the candle when the signal is up, and then above the candle when the signal is down. I cannot see how to do that. Wait a minute - do it with 2 separate paintbars! I have to play with this tonight!!!