Replies to post #320387 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[DesertDrifter]

For about the 500th time, I don't know of anyone here who has ever supported open borders. You need new material. Stuff that is not made-up propaganda.

But if it were a choice between controlling assault weapons and controlling the border, you would still be wrong. Your wonderful idea that controlling the border means tossing innocent children into shameful holding facilities is disgraceful.

[arizona1]

The problem on the Southern border is the Democratic Party and their support of open borders, sanctuary cities, demonizing law enforcement and telegraphing a message to the Southern Triangle --

Your idiotic posts are becoming spam and should be reported. Name one damn democrat who supports open borders. Why in all your conix ignorance don't you discuss the real problem which is people overstaying their visas or people like Melania who work/worked here illegally and probably should be deported for breaking the law. Answer that, troll!

[Susie924]

You and others like to parrot YOUR president that the Democrats want open borders.



No, Democrats Don’t Want ‘Open Borders’

President Trump has falsely claimed at least two dozen times since taking office that Democrats want to open American borders. But legislation shows that Democrats support border security measures, though not the border wall he wants to build.
Linda Qiu
By Linda Qiu
June 27, 2018

WHAT WAS SAID

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
HOUSE REPUBLICANS SHOULD PASS THE STRONG BUT FAIR IMMIGRATION BILL, KNOWN AS GOODLATTE II, IN THEIR AFTERNOON VOTE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS WON’T LET IT PASS IN THE SENATE. PASSAGE WILL SHOW THAT WE WANT STRONG BORDERS & SECURITY WHILE THE DEMS WANT OPEN BORDERS = CRIME. WIN!

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Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
The face of the Democrats is now Maxine Waters who, together with Nancy Pelosi, have established a fine leadership team. They should always stay together and lead the Democrats, who want Open Borders and Unlimited Crime, well into the future....and pick Crooked Hillary for Pres.

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“The Democrats want open borders. They want anybody they wanted, including MS-13, pouring into the country.”
— President Trump, speaking on Monday at a campaign rally in South Carolina

THE FACTS
False.

Democrats have argued that building a wall on the southwestern border is ineffective and a waste of resources, and rejected hard-line proposals to limit legal immigration. But Mr. Trump is grossly exaggerating Democrats’ positions when he conflates their opposition to his signature campaign promise and immigration priorities as “open borders.” And there is no evidence that they “want anybody,” including MS-13, to enter the United States freely.

While criticizing Mr. Trump’s immigration policies, the Democratic National Committee has committed to improving border security.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York and Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leaders, have rebutted the president’s charges. Additionally, their aides cited several examples of legislation that are supported by Democrats and would have provided border security funding.

Chuck Schumer
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@SenSchumer
Open borders, @realDonaldTrump? The bipartisan immigration bill I authored had $40 billion for border security and would have been far more effective than the wall.

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Responding last week to Mr. Trump’s earlier claims, Ms. Pelosi said, “No, we do care about the border.”


“We care about protecting our country, but we don’t think we need to protect the border by putting children in cages,” Ms. Pelosi said. “We want to be smart and strong — not reckless, rash and ruthless in this case.”

Thirty Democrats in the House have sponsored a bipartisan immigration bill this year that gives the young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers a pathway to citizenship. It also enhances technology used to monitor the border, and provides $110 million in grants annually for collaboration between local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents.

All 193 Democrats in the House and 23 moderate Republicans have signed a “discharge” petition to force a vote on that bill and other immigration proposals.

In the Senate, all but one Democrat voted for similar immigration legislation sponsored by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Senator Chris Coons, Democrat of Delaware.

And all but three Democrats voted for yet another bipartisan proposal to provide a pathway to citizenship to Dreamers, authorize $25 billion to build barriers and hire personnel at the border over the next decade. It would also prohibit green-card holders from sponsoring adult children.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Mr. Trump’s press secretary, repeated the assertion on Monday and argued that Democrats have “made it very clear that they don’t want to work with the president, that they don’t want to fix our immigration system” — referring to the political impasse over immigration reform.

The vast majority of Senate Democrats, and 14 Republicans, voted down a White House-backed Senate proposal that would enable the Department of Homeland Security to make more arrests and deportations, limit family-based immigration, and eliminate the diversity visa lottery. House Democrats have also suggested opposition to a new measure that will also limit legal immigration.

But rejecting these proposals does not amount to opposing any enforcement of immigration laws or allowing anyone, including criminals and gang members, to enter the country without restrictions.

Democrats also consistently supported border security measures before Mr. Trump took office.

In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the so-called Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing. (The House never voted on the bill.)

And in 2006, 26 Senate Democrats voted to build 700 miles of walls and fences on the southwestern border. Mr. Schumer was among the Democrats who supported that proposal — a fact that even Mr. Trump has repeatedly acknowledged, as recently as last week.

Source: Congress.gov, House.gov, Senate.gov, Congressional Research Service, The New York Times, Offices of Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Nancy Pelosi
Linda Qiu is a fact-check reporter, based in Washington. She came to The Times in 2017 from the fact-checking service PolitiFact.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html

[ergo sum]

Border Patrol agents recorded 310,531 apprehensions nationwide in fiscal year 2017, the lowest since the 302,517 apprehensions in 1971. CBP tallied 415,816 apprehensions in fiscal year 2016.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/19/have-deportations-increased-under-donald-trump-her/

[BullNBear52]

Getting a little hysterical there sweetcheeks.

[fuagf]

conix, Repeat: So your "death panel" Betsy McCaughey has hooked to the 'Democrats want open borders' lie too, eh.
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How many times to 2020 are you going to repeat the "open border" lie?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=149824501

This is reply #6 and makes a neat border completion with DesertDrifter's #1

For about the 500th time, I don't know of anyone here who has ever supported
open borders. You need new material. Stuff that is not made-up propaganda.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=150203550

That duly noted, as is other crap in your

"The problem on the Southern border is the Democratic Party and their support of open borders, sanctuary cities, demonizing law enforcement and telegraphing a message to the Southern Triangle --
P - "Come! We will take care of you. Overwhelm our system and you will get in. Bring children. We will support you! Free healthcare. Come. Ignore the laws!
And, remember us, the Democratic Party , when you get the right to vote.""

To some more of your garbage.

See - Sanctuary jurisdictions 'violate the laws of our nation'? That's Mostly False
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148214318
.. and preceding ,,
conix, The White House’s claim that ‘sanctuary’ cities are violating the law
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=145409799
.. those two, one of which, duly noted, was to you, are here ..
CashCowMoo, Sanctuary cities do not violate the law.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148214397

As for your "demonizing law enforcement", well we know it is Trump who continues to do that. No links required there.

And it is not the Democrat Party which is championing voter suppression. No link required for that either.

You're right in that voters should remember the Democratic Party.

You forgot to say: Without the lies in the propaganda spread by me conix, and Trump's GOP.