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07/01/19 9:02 PM

#316685 RE: conix #316622

conix, the Dems are not in a radical space. Schultz saying the socialism freaked him out would freak
all those who understand none of the candidates are for government control of most all things. See

The S Word, the F Word and the Election
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Wait, you may protest, you didn’t see any socialists up there. And you’d be right. The Democratic Party has clearly moved left in recent years, but none of the presidential candidates are anything close to being actual socialists — no, not even Bernie Sanders, whose embrace of the label is really more about branding (“I’m anti-establishment!”) than substance.
P - Nobody in these debates wants government ownership of the means of production, which is what socialism used to mean.
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One might even argue that the G.O.P. stands out among the West’s white nationalist parties for its exceptional willingness to crash right through the guardrails of democracy. Extreme gerrymandering, naked voter suppression and stripping power from offices .. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/4/18123784/gop-legislature-wisconsin-michigan-power-grab-lame-duck .. the other party manages to win all the same — these practices seem if anything more prevalent here than in the failing democracies of Eastern Europe.
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Your continued flailing in claiming equivalence between the two parties

"Left needs to come to the center. The Right needs to come to the center."

is little more than an acknowledgement that you are backing the most radical and fucked up horse.

A couple of excerpts from yours

What would a viable version of Howard Schultz look like? Not a "corporate Democrat" but a "populist centrist." To find one, I looked for Democrats who had flipped Republican-held, Trump-voting congressional districts in the 2018 midterms. Out of 435 races, 21 fit this description. Within these, I looked for upsets: Democratic victories in reliable Republican districts that didn't flip thanks to predictable anti-Trump reaction. There were only a handful - perhaps none more surprising than New York City's 11th, encompassing all of Staten Island and a sliver of south Brooklyn, a district that Trump himself had carried by 10 points two years earlier. Rose, a political neophyte, is its congressman - and perhaps our perfect populist centrist.

I first noticed Rose in the summer of 2018, when his TV ads started to pop up on NY1, New York's all-day news channel. Short, bald and barrel-chested. A human terrier. The ads emphasized his approachability and connection to ordinary Americans (his military service, his penchant for singing "Pitch Perfect" songs) and were almost comically nonideological. No mention of his political party. Rose just hammered the idea that Staten Islanders had been left behind by elites uninterested in their problems, from traffic to opioid addiction. "Mayor de Blasio acts like Staten Island doesn't even exist. And we need to get rid of all the leadership in D.C.," he narrated. "What's the establishment doing for you?"


and

Rose may not share the exact politics of his delegation member and fellow freshman Ocasio-Cortez, but he also doesn't identify with the neoliberalism of the past generation of the Democratic Party. "Now, what we cannot do is say the counterbalance to [socialism] is Mitt Romney, Clintonesque triangulation, moderation, you know, bulls-," he said, after an obligatory diner stop. "Where you think everything can be solved with a public-private partnership." In fact, he and Ocasio-Cortez probably aren't far apart on most issues: Rose supports a public health-care option, wants to lower the age of Medicare eligibility to 55, and vocally supports the unionization of Staten Island's Amazon fulfillment center. (Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.)
https://www.roanoke.com/news/trending/is-centrism-doomed-the-cautionary-tale-of-howard-schultz-and/article_62455516-48db-5c6f-bed9-994e9830bbfa.html

On reading the last one i wondered if you had read it all. Congratulations on using a decent source though.

Also see:

The Most "Electable" Democrat Is the One Who Supports Policies Americans Want
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Polling policy preferences, however, tells a different story than polling political inclinations. While self-proclaimed
centrist Howard Schultz is out here calling a 70 percent marginal tax rate on income over $10 million a "far left"
idea, polling data shows more Americans support it than oppose it (45 percent versus 32 percent).
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arizona1

07/01/19 10:56 PM

#316719 RE: conix #316622

Left needs to come to the center. The Right needs to come to the center.

Explain "the center" in your best big girl voice.