(1) follylama, you wrote: ..."MLD... Cut and pasted definitions are useless when public policy and outcomes are know"...
Hummm, let's see, you do a cut and paste of entire articles written by authors supporting your position (ie beliefs, point, etc), but you find it useless to research and study a website offering both the pro and con side of a debate?
(2) follylama, you also wrote: ..."You can use the internet to support or oppose any position and/or support"...
Exactly what I have stressed since 1999. Individuals should NOT limit themselves to researching one side of an issue, whether political, financial, etc.
(2) follylama, you also wrote: ..."actions (and outcomes) speak louder than words -- even cut and pasted words... The actions and outcomes of the neocons are not conservative"...
If you are interested in "conservative" views, here is a website that offers information that might be of interest to you. BTW, it even has a webpage devoted to rating political figures regarding voting record, etc.
American Conservative Union
American Conservative Union, is the nation’s oldest and largest grassroots conservative lobbying organization. ....commitment to a market economy, the doctrine of original intent of the framers of the Constitution, traditional moral values, and a strong national defense.....
About ACU: http://www.conservative.org/about/default.asp For a longer version of ACU’s history, see “The American Conservative Union: A History.” For a shorter version, see “Four Decades of Leadership,”
..."ACU has rated every member of the House and Senate since 1971. As the definitive conservative rating listed in all the major political almanacs and reference guides, ACU's ratings are often quoted by the media and used extensively by political strategists and candidates for public office."... http://www.acuratings.org/
You will find rating for:
Senate: Standouts Description of Votes Scored View All Senators: HTML | Excel
House of Representatives: Standouts Description of Votes Scored View All House Members: HTML | Excel
You will find links to: How ACU Determines Its Ratings and Why They Are Significant Lifetime Ratings for the 2008 Presidential Aspirants The Vice Chairman's Assessment Other Conservative Associations' Ratings
Example: Lifetime Ratings for the 2008 Presidential Aspirants ACU does not rate mayors (e.g., Rudy Giuliani) or governors (e.g., Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Bill Richardson, Mitt Romney and Tom Vilsack). http://www.conservative.org/archive2/2008potus.asp
Republicans
NameLifetime Rating 2005 Rating Representative Tom Tancredo (CO) Senator Sam Brownback (KS) Senator George Allen (VA) Representative Duncan Hunter (CA) Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (GA) Senator Chuck Hagel (NE) Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (TN) Senator John McCain (AZ)
Democrats
NameLifetime Rating 2005 Rating Senator Evan Bayh (IN) Senator Joseph Biden (DE) Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (SD) Senator Russ Feingold (WI) Former Senator John Edwards (NC) Senator Hillary Clinton (NY) Former Vice President Al Gore (TN) Senator Barack Obama (IL) Senator John Kerry (MA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The menu on the left includes a Weekly Survey: (clicking on it opens a pop-up screen) This week they ask ..."Some Conservative columnists have argued that with the loss of power to the Democrats the Republican Party will be stunned into returning to its conservative roots, and that it will strengthen the conservative movement in the long run. Do you feel that, in time, the election losses suffered by Republicans can revitalize conservatism?"...
How ACU Determines Its Ratings and Why They Are Significant http://conservative.org/archive2/ratingssummary.asp As the premier conservative rating listed in all major political almanacs and reference guides, ACU's "Rating" is often quoted by the media and is extensively used by political strategists and candidates running for public office. As the umbrella grassroots lobbying group of the conservative movement, ACU tracks a wide variety of issues before Congress, ranging from taxes to spending and national security to abortion. Accordingly, our ratings encompass three general categories: (1) economic and budget matters; (2) social and cultural issues, and (3) defense and foreign policy. ACU endeavors to analyze votes from each category in order to obtain a balanced, comprehensive picture of an individual member's ideological predisposition based upon recorded records. Each member of the House and Senate is rated on a scale of 0 to 100. The purpose of the "Rating" is to inform the public, in as unbiased a method as possible, exactly where individual Senators and Members of the House stand on the ideological spectrum from liberal to conservative.
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