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MLD38

11/18/06 12:49 PM

#224870 RE: follylama #224853

TO follylama: re point

follylama, you wrote: ..."MLD, You are again missing the point. The "conservative" party has become anything but conservative. The neocons who have come to dominate are nothing more than frustrated liberals who have found a place in the current republican party, and neoconservative foreign policy has been disasterous for the US"...


First, I am not missing YOUR point nor the AUTHOR's point. I understand what both of you believe to be "a point", but I also understand there are other views (ie points), if you do not appoarch a topic with a closed mind.

Someone once wrote in a novel : ..."Why does everything have to have a point? Why can't I just make fun of you"...


Someone on another website's message boards wrote:
..."While knowing something about the author is helpfull, ultimately if something is true, and to what degree it is true has little to do with who wrote what, and more to do with what was written."...."first the facts must be correct, then objectively interpeted"...


I replied:
..."That is why it is important NOT to rely on message board posts or the views of other authors when making personal decisions. It is important to do your own background research and know both sides of an issue. It is also important to know the identity of the person presenting "their set of the facts", so you can screen out information that you conclude to be one-sided. This not only applies to political views, but other areas in life (ie investment decisions)."...



Someone else on the message board wrote:
..."OK, but I think you are stuck on a sideline while ignoring the main point."...


I replied:
..."Ahhh, yes, the old sidelines. As what? Am I a fan in the stands, the coach, a cheerleader, or? The point is to know the subject and identify the players and understand everyone's knowledge of the game. I really do not consider politics, finances, etc a game, but wrote the above to show my fun side ;-)"...


NOTE: The point is to know the subject, identify the players, NOT to rely on bias advice of others, understand everyone's knowledge of the topic, research rational debate, then decide for yourself.

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MLD38

11/18/06 1:23 PM

#224873 RE: follylama #224853

TO follylama : Neoconservative, Definition and views

To help you research, try reading both the pro and con sides of an issue ( start with Neoconservative, Definition and views below ) and it will help identify why some author takes a certain side of an issue and never presents the topic in a multi-sided approach. Sometimes, you will find newspaper stories that carry the various sides, but watch for how the writer inserts verbs, etc., since they give clues to the writer's bias slipping into the article.


Neoconservative, Definition and views


NOTE :
...."there is conflict between neoconservatives and libertarian conservatives. Libertarian conservatives are ideologically opposed to large government and regard neoconservative foreign policy ambitions with considerable distrust."...
..."There has been considerable conflict between neoconservatives and business conservatives in some areas."...
..."sharp conflicts with "paleoconservatives," starting in the 1980s...
..."paleocons" view the neoconservatives as militarist social democrats and interlopers who deviate from traditional conservatism agenda on issues"...

ETC and ETC and ETC

Start with reading a little about Neoconservative:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

1 Neoconservative: Definition and views
1.1 Usage and general views
1.2 Overview of Neoconservative views
1.3 Distinctions from other conservatives
1.4 Shortcomings and criticism of the term "Neoconservative"
1.5 Pejorative use

2 History and origins of neoconservatism
2.1 Great Depression and World War II
2.2 Drift away from New Left and Great Society
2.3 Left-wing past of some Neoconservatives
2.4 Reagan and the Neoconservatives
2.5 Neoconservativism under George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton

3 Administration of George W. Bush
3.1 China spy plane incident
3.2 September 11, 2001
3.3 "Bush Doctrine"
3.4 Impact of 2003 Iraq War on Neoconservative philosophy and influence
3.4.1 Neoconservatism and charges of appeasement

4 Criticism of neoconservatism
4.1 Jacobinism, Bolshevism
4.2 Conflict with Libertarian Conservatives
4.3 Disagreement with Business Lobby, fiscal conservatives
4.4 Friction with paleoconservatism
4.5 Neoconservatism, Judaism, and "Dual Loyalty"

5 Related publications and institutions
5.1 Institutions
5.2 Publications

6 Criticism in popular culture
6.1 Music
6.2 Parodies

7 See also

8 Notes

9 References

10 Further reading

11 External links