TRUST are not OWNED and inmho you can't find out any information about trusts, who the beneficiaries are or to what %'s of participation , nor the value of a trust!
There would not be an issue of who owns what if we evaluated the retained assets instead hosen stated they will be there in the end and we can go after them then. The issue is there could 25 cents or billions no one knows and this is the confusion hosen wanted