Replies to post #308123 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[blackhawks]

Actually the DOJ guideline doesn't allow an indictment of a president from the DOJ. From an impeachment hearing? Yep.

Mueller did NOT exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice.

Trump's presidency is the biggest hoax in American political history.

As for 2020? PLENTY of time for Trump to commit new horrors, and for those 12 criminal referrals to bite him in his ever fatter ass. Odds are very good that more plea deals will provide more evidence against Trump

He was right, he is f*cked.

[arizona1]

Mueller made an impeachment referral and the democrats better heed his advice.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/18/1851289/-This-was-an-impeachment-referral-and-Steny-Hoyer-had-best-figure-that-out-or-step-down?utm_campaign=trending

[sortagreen]

"Actually, there is no evidence, that's why there was no indictment. "

Actually I think you need a fucking dictionary. There's plenty of evidence... not really conclusive proof, and the DOJ wouldn't indict BLOTUS anyway, but there's lot's of evidence.

[fuagf]

DrHarleyboy; Your lie "Actually, there is no evidence, that's why there was no indictment." duly noted. Your
lies are noted here so that at least some of them go on record. Just so you know that is a work in process.

There are many on the board re the question. See bottom listed articles and a portion of another here

What Mueller Found on Russia and on Obstruction: A First Analysis

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Findings on Obstruction of Justice

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Additionally, the special counsel writes that “it is important to view the President’s pattern of conduct as a whole” because it “sheds light on the nature of the President’s acts and the inferences that can be drawn about his intent.” The investigation “found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” but which were “mostly unsuccessful … because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.” The team viewed the obstruction investigation as looking at two distinct phases: before Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, when Trump “deemed it critically important to make public that he was not under investigation”; and after he “became aware that investigators were conducting an obstruction-of-justice inquiry into his own conduct.” During this latter period, Trump “launched public attacks on the investigation and individuals involved in it who could possess evidence adverse to the President” and, “in private, … engaged in a series of targeted efforts to control the investigation.” In the special counsel’s view, “judgments about the nature of the President’s motives during each phase would be informed by the totality of the evidence.”

The report identifies and analyzes ten episodes of concern in the obstruction investigation.

1. conduct involving then-FBI Director Comey and Michael Flynn;
2. the president’s reaction to the continuing Russia investigation;
3. the president’s termination of Comey;
4. the appointment of a special counsel and efforts to remove him;
5. efforts to curtail the special counsel’s investigation;
6. efforts to prevent public disclosure of evidence;
7. further efforts to have the attorney general take control of the investigation;
8. efforts to have White House Counsel Don McGahn deny that the president had ordered him to have the special counsel removed;
9. conduct toward Flynn, Manafort, and a redacted individual (likely Roger Stone); and
10. conduct involving Michael Cohen.

Each episode includes a detailed set of factual findings and then analyzes how the evidence maps onto the criminal charge of obstruction, which requires (1) an obstructive act; (2) a nexus with an official proceeding; and (3) a corrupt intent. We have summarized all of the episodes and Mueller’s analysis of them under the obstruction statutes here .. https://www.lawfareblog.com/appendix-instances-obstruction-mueller-report .

For present purposes, the critical point is that in six of these episodes, the special counsel’s office suggests that all of the elements of obstruction are satisfied: Trump’s conduct regarding the investigation into Michael Flynn, his firing of Comey, his efforts to remove Mueller and then to curtail Mueller’s investigation, his campaign to have Sessions take back control over the investigation and an order he gave to White House Counsel Don McGahn to both lie to the press about Trump’s past attempt to fire Mueller and create a false record “for our files.” In the cases of Comey’s firing, Trump’s effort to fire Mueller and then push McGahn to lie about it, and Trump’s effort to curtail the scope of the investigation, Mueller describes “substantial” evidence that Trump intended to obstruct justice. Only in one instance—concerning Trump’s effort to prevent the release of emails regarding the Trump Tower meeting—does the special counsel seem to feel that none of the three elements of the obstruction offense were met. It is not entirely clear how Mueller would apply his overarching factual considerations, discussed above, to the specific cases, but he does seem to be saying that the evidence of obstruction in a number of these incidents is strong.

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148328827

See also:

Portrait of the White House and Its Culture of Dishonesty
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148325007

ACTUALLY, THE MUELLER REPORT SHOWED THAT RUSSIA DID AFFECT THE VOTE
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148327246
.. and in reply ..
Trump won by under 80,000 votes spread over 3 states. We've learned that Manafort was passing polling data on MidWest
states to Russia for months - thanks to Manafort, Russia knew exactly what states to target with negative Clinton messages.
If the Dems are smart (big IF), they will nominate a candidate who is not far left but someone
who can appeal to most voters, including the 40% who consider themselves Independent.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/replies.aspx?msg=148327246

The Mueller report's damning portrait of Trump
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148324540

THE MUELLER REPORT IS THE OPPOSITE OF EXONERATION
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148324238

Nixon White House Lawyer John Dean: Mueller Report is 'More Damning' Than Watergate Report
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=148323936