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Nebuchadnezzar

02/11/19 12:17 PM

#4068 RE: winchem21 #4067

So that means buy now it will be $20-$25 stock soon enough plus dividend growth and shrinking float!!
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DewDiligence

02/11/19 12:19 PM

#4069 RE: winchem21 #4067

Re: Valuation

The near-bankruptcy experience a few years ago is preventing some investors from building an objective valuation model for what is essentially a new company. This is yet another manifestation of cognitive dissonance in the stock market.

p.s. I'm putting your post in a yellow sticky slot.
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biocqr

03/26/19 9:27 AM

#4126 RE: winchem21 #4067

Cleveland-Cliffs: Downside Is The Time To Consider Entry

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4250897-cleveland-cliffs-downside-time-consider-entry

Higher iron ore prices and stabilized steel prices will provide support for Cliffs' pricing and cash flow. During the latest earnings call, Cliffs provided two pricing scenarios: a) $102-107 per ton (IODEX (iron ore) at $76/ton, HRC (hot-rolled coil) steel prices at $694/ton, pellet premiums at $67.50/ton) and b) $111-116/ton (IODEX at $90.5/ton, HRC steel prices at $683/ton, and pellet premiums at $67.50/ton).

Even at an average realized price of $100/ton, assuming production of 19.5 million tons (production of 500,000 will go to the HBI (hot briquetted iron) plant which is currently under construction) and costs of $64/ton, Cliffs will generate $700 million of cash. This cash position will be boosted by a $117 million tax refund due in Q3 2019. On the cost side, the company will spend $525 million on capex ($425 million for HBI plant, $70 million sustaining capex, $40 million Northshore upgrade), $100 million on SG&A and $100 million on cash interest on debt. Thus, even at a year of high spending on growth and with a modest realized price assumption, Cliffs is set to operate fully within its means.

4. The market is completely ignoring the future HBI plant. Analyst estimates actually decrease for 2020, the year when the HBI plant should be completed sometime in the middle of the year.

Cliffs has increased the HBI plant capacity from 1.6 million tons annually to 1.9 million tons - a sign of strong demand. Also, investors should keep in mind that the plant will consume Cliffs' pellets at a rate of 2.8 million tons per year as per the earnings call. These pellets will be taken off the market, a move that, all else equal, should be supportive for the prices of the remaining 17.2 million tons of pellets. Interestingly, Cliffs spoke about the possibility of returning Empire Mine back to life. This could cost $600 million over three years, with potential production of 3.2-3.5 million tons annually. No decision on Empire has been made yet.

5. Valuation of Cliffs remains strange to put it mildly. The stock is trading at less than 7 forward P/E. As usual, Cliffs will need support from actual earnings results to show the market that the company's valuation is too low. I wouldn't put much faith into Q1 earnings report since the first quarter is the weakest for the company and is not representative of the numbers that are achieved later in the year, but Q2 earnings report should showcase the company's cash flow and earnings power.

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AlanC

07/25/19 11:35 AM

#4350 RE: winchem21 #4067

Just keep buying back and retiring these cheap manipulated shares. Shorts will pay. Bo CLF!!!
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DewDiligence

08/26/19 11:14 AM

#4404 RE: winchem21 #4067

Re: Valuation

Now is a good time to reread the excellent analysis in #msg-146743618.

The share price when that post was written was about $12; it’s 1/3 less now—no wonder insiders have been buying!