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CoalTrain

09/18/03 2:02 PM

#26621 RE: Ace Hanlon #26619

The article i just posted by a retired diplomat speculates that the real neo-con (and Israeli) goal in iraq is to break the country up into several smaller states that would pose less of a potential threat to Israel than a united Iraq.

Talk about the mother of all bait and switch operations.



It might explain why Powell gave up on his own Powell Doctrine. How could he present a clear exit strategy if they were lying to us about the main goal? It might very well explain why there seems to be no plan at all if the main goal was simply to split Iraq into smaller fragments. No matter what the outcome I do not see a unified Iraq coming out of this. If Russia however gets to plant troops in Iraq I am not so sure the likkudniks will see that as a victory. Maybe I am wrong about that I do not know nearly as much about the likkudniks as I should.

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langostino

09/18/03 7:11 PM

#26634 RE: Ace Hanlon #26619

Chopping Iraq up ...

Shouldn't the Iraqi people finally get to decide? I've got a feeling if they did, they'd elect to divide things too. IMO, the artificial British creation is the real perversity, not any post-Saddam breakup.
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harrypothead

09/19/03 12:51 AM

#26646 RE: Ace Hanlon #26619

DONALD RUMSFELD, PEACENIK?
Rummy wants out – and the neocons are hopping mad

by Justin Raimondo Antiwar.com

September 17, 2003

There's a falling out among neocons, reports Jim Lobe of Interpress News Service, and you can bet it isn't going to be pretty. Considering their zeal to purge and smear dissidents on the Right for the slightest deviation – an insufficient devotion to the cult of Lincoln, taking the "wrong" position on McCarthy (Joe, not Gene), mentioning Martin Luther King's Commie connections (or his career as a serial plagiarist) – this fight is going to be worth the cost of a ringside seat. Oh, how the blood will flow!

Lobe, a longtime observer of the neocon scene, is certainly in the best position to give us a blow-by-blow account. He has covered their ideology, their methods, their plans, their obsessions, their triumphs, their troubles – and, now, their split into contending factions.

The object of their contention is George W. Bush's conduct of the war on terror, which seems to have ground to a near halt. In Iraq, the Americans are on the defensive, floundering in a sea of hostility, while on the home front the neocons are increasingly singled out as the architects of a strategy that managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, turning a military success into a political and diplomatic failure.

In the neocons' view, however, it's all the President's fault. Not only did he fail to continue the war, but he sent Colin Powell hat-in-hand to the UN, despoiling the pristine arrogance of our post-9/11 foreign policy. Worse yet, the neocons' postwar grand design has been scaled down considerably.

"It's clear now that Rumsfeld is not interested in 'remaking Iraq'," says Charles Kupchan, an analyst with the Council on Foreign Relations. "He wants to get the hell out of there."

And the neocons are livid. Glory, glory hallelujah!

Frank Gaffney, Jr., of the Center for Security Policy, complains that the administration has gone soft on Syria, ignored the Iranian "threat," and given the Saudis a pass. The "road map" is sheer lunacy, to Gaffney, who is never in favor of peace if war is a possibility – and who never takes the American side in any dispute with Israel. He doesn't have the courage to come right out and point the accusing finger at the President, however:

"Published accounts say the most influential of these, White House adviser Karl Rove, has warned that there must be 'no more wars' for the remainder of Bush's term. Grover Norquist, allowed by Rove to portray himself as a close ally, has opined publicly that '[Wars] are expensive and a drain politically. They are not political winners.' According to Norquist, head of Americans for Tax Reform, it follows that if Bush persists in engaging in them, he could doom himself to being a one-term president."

No more wars?! Oh, but the neocons have just begun. They envision a whole series of wars raging throughout the Middle East. It's what Michael Ledeen calls "creative destruction." The neocon vision – "transforming" the region so as to make it safe for Israel – requires it. After all, you don't "remake" something without first destroying it. The neocons had their hearts set on the continuation of their war of "liberation," and the disappointment in Ledeen's voice is palpable as he commiserates with his buddy Pat Robertson:

ROBERTSON: "Well, I've read a couple of your recent columns. You're pointing to Iran as a terror master, but you're saying Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria. But apparently our State Department doesn't want to really move against them."

LEDEEN: "No, our State Department just really wants to make deals with all of those countries. Our State Department thinks that, 'Now we've done Iraq. There's a presidential election coming up. Our troops are tired. Our resources are strained. Let's stop here for the time being, try to bring some order into Iraq. And then after the presidential election, if President Bush is re-elected, then we'll worry about what comes next.' That's their current thinking."

ROBERTSON: "If we pursue that, all the momentum we had after the Operation Iraqi Freedom is going to be lost."


It doesn't matter to fanatics like Robertson and Ledeen that our troops are tired, that our resources are strained, that "liberated" Iraq is in chaos. Reality can be safely ignored, you see, because victory is a matter of pure will. Besides that, Robertson believes that American resources must be put at Israel's disposal because God wills it, a delusion that suits Ledeen and his fellow neocons just fine.

Gaffney attacks Rove in another op ed, this time in the Washington Times, charging that the President's influential political advisor is part of a network involving "foreign-funded" "Islamist" groups, darkly insinuating that the Bush reelection campaign is colluding with pro-terrorist "radical" Muslims. What is the evidence for this? The President and Rove have met with representatives of a broad cross-section of Arab-American and Muslim groups in an effort to get their support. Can you imagine that – a politician angling for votes and campaign contributions? Who ever heard of such a thing? Leave it to our American Likudniks to put a sinister cast on such a prosaic event.

Here's some news to brighten up your day. Gloom and doom hang over the War Party like a dark cloud:

ROBERTSON: "The President made a stirring speech after 9-11, that anybody who harbors a terrorist shall be considered a terrorist. And yet, it's been kid gloves with Saudi Arabia, kid gloves with Syria, kid gloves with Iran. When are we going to get tough?"

LEDEEN: "Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it seems to me, too, that he's lost his bearings on this."

In other words, the President has regained his bearings, albeit perhaps only temporarily. On account of the coming struggle to retain the White House, Bush 43 has put on hold, if not entirely called off, what the neocons call "World War IV."

As the Old Right journalist and polemicist Garet Garrett put it:

"Between government in the republican meaning, that is, Constitutional, representative, limited government, on the one hand, and Empire on the other hand, there is mortal enmity. Either one must forbid the other or one will destroy the other. That we know. Yet never has the choice been put to a vote of the people."

And George W. Bush has no intention of breaking that tradition. Grover Norquist is right: war sure isn't a political winner. That's why Woodrow Wilson campaigned on a platform of "he kept us out of war," while Franklin Delano Roosevelt declared "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into foreign wars" – even as he was plotting and conniving to drag us into World War II by hook, by crook, and through the back door.

Regardless of the President's intentions, the last thing Karl Rove wants is an inquisition into plans for expanding a war that is already proving to be a political albatross – one that could drag not only the President but his party down to defeat in '04.

Rove, however, is only one source of the new caution. The other is Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who is looking for an exit strategy – not only to extricate us from Iraq, but to extricate himself out of the role of scapegoat. As Lobe puts it:

"Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld, on the other hand, is dead-set against deploying yet more troops to join the 180,000 now in Iraq and Kuwait. And while he, like the neo-cons, opposes conceding any substantial political role for the UN or anyone else, his preferred option is to transfer power directly to the Iraqis as quickly as possible, even at the risk that reconstituted security forces would be insufficiently cleansed of elements of the former regime's Ba'ath Party."

No war in '04? You betcha. Beyond that, however, all bets are off.

Since both major parties are merely the "right" and "left" wings of a single party, the War Party, it makes no difference which one wins the White House. Unless a candidate emerges from the pack who is clearly and specifically for getting us out of Iraq, and out of the business of empire-building altogether, the outcome of the election is utterly irrelevant. In any case, our interventionist foreign policy is sure to stay in place.

Every election season is a vast distraction that, traditionally, the peace movement has had to endure, like a passing storm. Resources and energy are temporarily diverted into the nearly always vain hope that one of the two major political parties can be made into the vehicle on which the anti-interventionist movement can hitch a ride. Principles are eclipsed by partisan loyalties, and I'm not just talking about the willingness of all too many "antiwar" types to overlook Howard Dean's shifty stance on what to do about Iraq, but also Bob Novak's sudden flacking for a war that he vehemently (and rightly) opposed. .

There's only one sure defense against the depredations of the War Party, and that is the organized vigilance of the American people. Ah, but vigilance presupposes knowledge, and that's what Antiwar.com is all about. Election seasons come and go, like the weather, but the movement to reclaim the foreign policy of this country soldiers on.

My good friend Lew Rockwell recently remarked that we should never tire of saying "I told you so" to the warmongers, and I agree completely with his pro-gloating stance. We said the war would be a breeze compared to the occupation, and that the real war wouldn't start until we declared "victory" – and we were right. We said there were no weapons of mass destruction, no links to Al Qaeda, no real rationale for war other than serving Israel's interest – and we were right about all that, too. I long ago predicted that the neocons would turn on Bush if he faltered in pursuit of their dreams of empire, and I take great delight in publicly gloating over this recent turn of events.

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Calling a Spade a Spade, at least someone has the guts to do it. I also believe Iraq was also the mother of all bait and switch operations. Unfortunately, I have no doubt that Bush will absolutely get away with trouncing the Constitution because the American people will allow it. Have we really become so collectively brain dead that we have forgotten the importance of upholding the Constitution? That's the larger issue, and it's an issue far greater than anything going on in Iraq.

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AP: Kennedy Says Iraq War Case a 'Fraud'
AP NewsBreak: Sen. Kennedy Says the Case for War Against Iraq Was a Fraud 'Made Up in Texas'


The Associated Press

BOSTON Sept. 18 —
The case for going to war against Iraq was a fraud "made up in Texas" to give Republicans a political boost, Sen. Edward Kennedy said Thursday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Kennedy also said the Bush administration has failed to account for nearly half of the $4 billion the war is costing each month. He said he believes much of the unaccounted-for money is being used to bribe foreign leaders to send in troops.

He called the Bush administration's current Iraq policy "adrift."

The White House declined to comment Thursday.

The Massachusetts Democrat also expressed doubts about how serious a threat Saddam Hussein posed to the United States in its battle against terrorism. He said administration officials relied on "distortion, misrepresentation, a selection of intelligence" to justify their case for war.

"There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing was a fraud," Kennedy said.

Kennedy said a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office showed that only about $2.5 billion of the $4 billion being spent monthly on the war can be accounted for by the Bush administration.

"My belief is this money is being shuffled all around to these political leaders in all parts of the world, bribing them to send in troops," he said.

Of the $87 billion in new money requested by President Bush for the war, Kennedy said the administration should be required to report back to the Congress to account for the spending.

"We want to support our troops because they didn't make the decision to go there ... but I don't think it should be open-ended. We ought to have a benchmark where the administration has to come back and give us a report," he added.

Kennedy said the focus on Iraq has drawn the nation's attention away from more direct threats, including al-Qaida, instability in Afghanistan or the nuclear ambitions of North Korea.

"I think all of those pose a threat to the security of the people of Massachusetts much more than the threat from Iraq," Kennedy said. "Terror has been put on the sidelines for the last 12 months."

Kennedy was one of 23 senators who voted last October against authorizing Bush to use military force to disarm Iraq.

Earlier this year, he supported a Democratic amendment that would have delayed most of the president's proposed tax cuts, and most spending increases, until the administration provided cost estimates for the Iraq war. The amendment failed.

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YOU TELL 'EM, TEDDY!!!